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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 655064" data-attributes="member: 158">How about Expert? His class skills are Diplomacy, Bluff, Sense Motive, Perform, and Intimidate. They don't necessarily need magic powers to inspire, and mixing them with levels in Paladin/Rogue/Cleric/what have you helps define what path they take, and the uses they put their oratory skills to.Back to the Bard idea - the only thing that a Bard has now that really doesn't fit the package is the magic spells they automatically get. The access to rogue skills don't bother me - mainly because they don't need to be taken, and if they aren't, the character doesn't come off as roguish in ANY way.However, the automatic granting of spells might be a problem, since you also have the trappings of spells on them (material components). The fact that they are stopped by anti-magic isn't a bother, because anyone who can convince crowds of people to do something against their will could be construed as supernatural, anyway.</blockquote>