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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 4325047" data-attributes="member: 18">Yeah and I like the Paladin as a Knight-ly type whose bravery and devotion are his shield better than some glowing avenger of the light using god-energy to force people to attack him, teleporting, and generally magically owning face, but I suspect both of us are in minority positions in these regards.I think the "renaissance romanticised version of a fop" as a vastly broader appeal to people interested in fantasy (whether in RPGs, computer games, novels or what-have-you) than some Celtic lorespeaker. I think also fits into the assumed D&D setting a lot better.I dunno if that means he's a shoe-in for "Arcane Leader", but given the heavy emphasis on illusion, charm, and so on that the bard has had lately, I think it's workable.Doctorhook - I strongly disagree, and I think your view is ill-thought-through. Whilst hybrid classes should be carefully marked as such, they're a perfectly good idea, especially for smaller-than-usual groups, where the basic roles may well not be covered if people are actually choosing classes based on what they want to play, rather than what they "must" play.</blockquote>