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<blockquote data-quote="Apok" data-source="post: 109831" data-attributes="member: 1969">Sounds like you want a modified Sorc, to meThis is where you start running into aesthetics v. balance problems.&nbsp; Same deal with Wizard v. Sorc.&nbsp; Since a Sorc is supposed to be a &quot;natural&quot; spellcaster, why does he need to use material, verbal or somatic components like the wizard?&nbsp; You would think that a Sorcerer would cast spells simply by the force of his will, but then you get into balance issues.&nbsp; Same thing with a Bard.&nbsp; The way Bards cast spells makes little sense if you are portraying them as &quot;spellsinger&quot; types, since they have to go through the same riggamarole (sp?) as wizards; limited uses per day, must use material and somatic components (verbal components make sense for the Bard in this case), etc.&nbsp; The Monte Cook Bard seems much closer to the idea of a &quot;magic from music&quot; system, but it's a definite departure from the 3rd ed. Cookie-Cutter Standard of spellcasting.&nbsp; Besides, you already mentioned you don't want to go this route.&nbsp; Ask the DM if you can play a Sorcerer with an expanded skill list and 4 skill points/level (this seems to be a common house rule in most campaigns).&nbsp; The only things you are loosing is the music ability (which you didn't want anyways), Bardic Knowledge, BAB and good Reflex saves.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Apok, post: 109831, member: 1969"] [b]Sounds like you want a modified Sorc, to me[/b] This is where you start running into aesthetics v. balance problems. Same deal with Wizard v. Sorc. Since a Sorc is supposed to be a "natural" spellcaster, why does he need to use material, verbal or somatic components like the wizard? You would think that a Sorcerer would cast spells simply by the force of his will, but then you get into balance issues. Same thing with a Bard. The way Bards cast spells makes little sense if you are portraying them as "spellsinger" types, since they have to go through the same riggamarole (sp?) as wizards; limited uses per day, must use material and somatic components (verbal components make sense for the Bard in this case), etc. The Monte Cook Bard seems much closer to the idea of a "magic from music" system, but it's a definite departure from the 3rd ed. Cookie-Cutter Standard of spellcasting. Besides, you already mentioned you don't want to go this route. Ask the DM if you can play a Sorcerer with an expanded skill list and 4 skill points/level (this seems to be a common house rule in most campaigns). The only things you are loosing is the music ability (which you didn't want anyways), Bardic Knowledge, BAB and good Reflex saves. [/QUOTE]

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