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<blockquote data-quote="der_kluge" data-source="post: 110219" data-attributes="member: 945">Apparently UD did not read my initial post....Hong - well, there are a few differences in the skills.&nbsp; Bards get knowledge() skills which I want, and Rogues get things like Forgery, Disable Device, and Open Locks that Bards don't get.&nbsp; Oddly enough, Bards don't get Spot, which makes no sense to me, neither do they get Scry, why defies understanding.I've decided that I'm going to make my own Bard class.&nbsp; I just sent a note off to my DM asking his thoughts.Basically, wizard-like spells, but songs are played in lieu of spell - in other words, a song consumes a spell slot.&nbsp; Some songs require higher level spell slots than others.&nbsp; Instead of the paltry 5 or 6 songs they get now, I'll add one song, and they'll get one every level - not songs based on their ranks in the Perform skill.Slightly modified skill list, which removes odd things like Scry and Pick Pockets (what's WoTC trying to imply about musicians, anyway?) and give them Spot, and maybe innuendo.&nbsp; Still torn about Intimidate - it is a charisma-based skill after all; just don't see Bards intimidating a lot of people.Same Saves, same BAB, 6 skill points per level.Ok.&nbsp; Yes, I know.&nbsp; I've got a book to write, and deadlines to meet for Thunderhead Games.&nbsp; But, damnit!&nbsp; This is my character we're talking about here!&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="der_kluge, post: 110219, member: 945"] Apparently UD did not read my initial post.... Hong - well, there are a few differences in the skills. Bards get knowledge() skills which I want, and Rogues get things like Forgery, Disable Device, and Open Locks that Bards don't get. Oddly enough, Bards don't get Spot, which makes no sense to me, neither do they get Scry, why defies understanding. I've decided that I'm going to make my own Bard class. I just sent a note off to my DM asking his thoughts. Basically, wizard-like spells, but songs are played in lieu of spell - in other words, a song consumes a spell slot. Some songs require higher level spell slots than others. Instead of the paltry 5 or 6 songs they get now, I'll add one song, and they'll get one every level - not songs based on their ranks in the Perform skill. Slightly modified skill list, which removes odd things like Scry and Pick Pockets (what's WoTC trying to imply about musicians, anyway?) and give them Spot, and maybe innuendo. Still torn about Intimidate - it is a charisma-based skill after all; just don't see Bards intimidating a lot of people. Same Saves, same BAB, 6 skill points per level. Ok. Yes, I know. I've got a book to write, and deadlines to meet for Thunderhead Games. But, damnit! This is my character we're talking about here! :) [/QUOTE]

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