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<blockquote data-quote="der_kluge" data-source="post: 111292" data-attributes="member: 945">I think I've figured out what kind of Bard I want.&nbsp; I'm holding the 3E Bard to the idea of the EverQuest Bard, and frankly, it doesn't hold a candle to it.The EverQuest Bard was truly a Bard.&nbsp; They weren't spellcasters, but they could create spell-like effects with their music.&nbsp; They got one new song per level - and every song (IIRC) was a AOE song that affected the party positively, or the enemies negatively.&nbsp; Which, in the latter case, could be a problem if the long Bard in the group ended up making all the monsters mad at him.&nbsp; I've seen many Bards run in fear for that very reason.So, I think the Bard that I'm going to try to create is something like this :d6 HD6 SP per levelNo spell-casting abilityRemove 'Scry'; add 'Innuendo'1 new song per level with new rules that I'll have to think about - but *most* songs will be AOE songs that affect the entire party or the entire set of enemies within the range of the songs radius, perhaps using the rules from &quot;The Sigil's&quot; Enchiridion of Mystic Music .pdf.The ability to sing songs a number of times per day equal to the level + charisma modifier.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="der_kluge, post: 111292, member: 945"] I think I've figured out what kind of Bard I want. I'm holding the 3E Bard to the idea of the EverQuest Bard, and frankly, it doesn't hold a candle to it. The EverQuest Bard was truly a Bard. They weren't spellcasters, but they could create spell-like effects with their music. They got one new song per level - and every song (IIRC) was a AOE song that affected the party positively, or the enemies negatively. Which, in the latter case, could be a problem if the long Bard in the group ended up making all the monsters mad at him. I've seen many Bards run in fear for that very reason. So, I think the Bard that I'm going to try to create is something like this : d6 HD 6 SP per level No spell-casting ability Remove 'Scry'; add 'Innuendo' 1 new song per level with new rules that I'll have to think about - but *most* songs will be AOE songs that affect the entire party or the entire set of enemies within the range of the songs radius, perhaps using the rules from "The Sigil's" Enchiridion of Mystic Music .pdf. The ability to sing songs a number of times per day equal to the level + charisma modifier. [/QUOTE]

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