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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Victim" data-source="post: 54406" data-attributes="member: 78">I'd much rather cast a 3 hour charm person as standard action than cast a 36 second charm person as a move equivalent action.  Charm isn't a combat spell, and it needs a significant duration to accomplish anything.  I also disagree about Chords and Melodies.  Charm monster is level 4 spell for mages and level 3 for bards.  They both get the spell at the same time.  The variant bard's charm monster, soothe the savage beast is effectively the same as Charm Monster, except with much shorter range.  He can first learn song at level 13.  Old bards would be dominating stuff before that.  The variant bard's charms, one of their apparent advantages, aren't competitive with mages or their PHB counterparts.  Is essentially doubling the level of key bard ability worth 2 extra points?  Also, none of the bard songs strike me as very unique.  I loved the bard only spell Modify Memory.  Now it's unique effect has been replaced with Sound Channel!?I'd much rather just prentend my arcane bard casts spells through songs than have a weaker, singing, evasive bard that can't do anything.</blockquote>