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<blockquote data-quote="Thanael" data-source="post: 5490387" data-attributes="member: 22734"><p>What does he mean by bard? Skald? Minstrel? Performer? Loremaster? Old Lore Bard? Gypsy?</p><p>Does he want the bardic music effects? Or only the diplomacy/suave-ness? Is divine spellcasting ok?</p><p></p><p> </p><p>Play a </p><p>Brd1/RogX/SwashbucklerY (check out the <a href="http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wizards.com%2Fdefault.asp%3Fx%3Ddnd%2Fcwc%2F20070227x&ei=LuB4TZn6CoaWswbh3ojpBw&usg=AFQjCNEwd7pU3xs0aX3AwbbMN9bWv3amMg&sig2=0gkvHYYOVxu2TrO0xGj33A" target="_blank">dead levels article for seduce class feature</a>)</p><p>Brd1/Brb4/War Chanter X (no spellcasting!)</p><p>Brd1/Ftr4/War Chanter X (no spellcasting!)</p><p>Ftr/Rog/Brd1/Blade(see below) (conversion of the 2E Blade Kit, no spellcasting!)</p><p>Dwarf Brd1/Ftr4/War Chanter2/OllamX</p><p>Dwarf CloisteredCleric7/OllamX</p><p>Fighter4/Rogue3/Exemplar</p><p></p><p></p><p>The 2E Blade Kit was a spell-less bard performer: <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-legacy-discussion/284949-swashbuckler-vs-fighter-scout-reach-dervish.html#post5257842" target="_blank">Bard Blade Kit conversion thread 1</a> , <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-legacy-discussion/241738-blade-2nd-edition-bard-kit-updated-how-would-you-do.html" target="_blank">Bard Blade Kit conversion thread 2</a> </p><p></p><p>The <a href="http://www.realmshelps.net/cgi-bin/prestige2.pl?class=War_Chanter" target="_blank">Warchanter</a> prc from Complete Warrior increases bardic music but not spellcasting. Only inspire courage is a prereq so a Bard 1 qualifies and has no spellcasting.</p><p></p><p>Races of Stone has a bardic dwarven teacher prc, <a href="http://www.realmshelps.net/cgi-bin/prestige2.pl?class=Ollam" target="_blank">Ollam</a>, which increases spellcasting but it's not a prerequisite. </p><p></p><p>Dread Pirate increases diplomacy and inspire type abilities. Rogues and Swasbucklery types qualify easily.</p><p></p><p>Evangelist is a sort of fast-talk bardic prestige class that requires no spellcasting. </p><p></p><p>Purple Dragon Knight gains inspire type abilities.</p><p></p><p>Exemplar is a skill based prc that makes you better at skills and others too.</p><p></p><p>The Jester class from Dragon compendium might interest you too.</p><p></p><p>The Dark Sun Bard from athas.org is a poisoner/performer/rogue hybrid.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20050107a&page=2" target="_blank">Fochlucan Lyricist</a> is a druidic bard loosely inspired by the 1E Bard but increasing arcana and divine spellcasting. </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/prc/20061128a" target="_blank">Prestige Class: Dwarven Chanter (Kit Conversion)</a> a 2E bard kit conversion, increases any spellcasting, but has no spellcasting prereqs</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/prc/20061121a" target="_blank">Prestige Class: Halfling Whistler (Kit Conversion)</a> a 2E bard kit conversion, increases any spellcasting, but has no spellcasting prereqs</p><p></p><p>Check out the <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/bloodlines.htm#fey" target="_blank">major fey bloodline from UA</a>.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#clericVariantCloisteredCleric" target="_blank">Cloistered Cleric</a> grants a lore type ability.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20051007a&page=3" target="_blank">The Archivist</a> is a divine full spellcaster with lore type abilities.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How about some fanmade classes/prcs:</p><p></p><p>The oldschool 1E Old Lore Bard as a 3E prc: <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/pathfinder-rpg-discussion/273186-1e-3x-pathfinder-bard-prestige-class.html#post5116972" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/pathfinder-rpg-discussion/273186-1e-3x-pathfinder-bard-prestige-class.html#post5116972</a> (druidic spellcasting)</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-legacy-discussion/5937-skald-prestige-class-finally-done.html" target="_blank">A fanmade Skald (Bardbarian)</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-legacy-discussion/152054-looking-spell-less-bard-variant.html" target="_blank">Looking for Spell-less Bard variant thread</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thanael, post: 5490387, member: 22734"] What does he mean by bard? Skald? Minstrel? Performer? Loremaster? Old Lore Bard? Gypsy? Does he want the bardic music effects? Or only the diplomacy/suave-ness? Is divine spellcasting ok? Play a Brd1/RogX/SwashbucklerY (check out the [url=http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wizards.com%2Fdefault.asp%3Fx%3Ddnd%2Fcwc%2F20070227x&ei=LuB4TZn6CoaWswbh3ojpBw&usg=AFQjCNEwd7pU3xs0aX3AwbbMN9bWv3amMg&sig2=0gkvHYYOVxu2TrO0xGj33A]dead levels article for seduce class feature[/url]) Brd1/Brb4/War Chanter X (no spellcasting!) Brd1/Ftr4/War Chanter X (no spellcasting!) Ftr/Rog/Brd1/Blade(see below) (conversion of the 2E Blade Kit, no spellcasting!) Dwarf Brd1/Ftr4/War Chanter2/OllamX Dwarf CloisteredCleric7/OllamX Fighter4/Rogue3/Exemplar The 2E Blade Kit was a spell-less bard performer: [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-legacy-discussion/284949-swashbuckler-vs-fighter-scout-reach-dervish.html#post5257842]Bard Blade Kit conversion thread 1[/url] , [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-legacy-discussion/241738-blade-2nd-edition-bard-kit-updated-how-would-you-do.html]Bard Blade Kit conversion thread 2[/url] The [url=http://www.realmshelps.net/cgi-bin/prestige2.pl?class=War_Chanter]Warchanter[/url] prc from Complete Warrior increases bardic music but not spellcasting. Only inspire courage is a prereq so a Bard 1 qualifies and has no spellcasting. Races of Stone has a bardic dwarven teacher prc, [url=http://www.realmshelps.net/cgi-bin/prestige2.pl?class=Ollam]Ollam[/url], which increases spellcasting but it's not a prerequisite. Dread Pirate increases diplomacy and inspire type abilities. Rogues and Swasbucklery types qualify easily. Evangelist is a sort of fast-talk bardic prestige class that requires no spellcasting. Purple Dragon Knight gains inspire type abilities. Exemplar is a skill based prc that makes you better at skills and others too. The Jester class from Dragon compendium might interest you too. The Dark Sun Bard from athas.org is a poisoner/performer/rogue hybrid. [url=http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20050107a&page=2]Fochlucan Lyricist[/url] is a druidic bard loosely inspired by the 1E Bard but increasing arcana and divine spellcasting. [url=http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/prc/20061128a]Prestige Class: Dwarven Chanter (Kit Conversion)[/url] a 2E bard kit conversion, increases any spellcasting, but has no spellcasting prereqs [url=http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/prc/20061121a]Prestige Class: Halfling Whistler (Kit Conversion)[/url] a 2E bard kit conversion, increases any spellcasting, but has no spellcasting prereqs Check out the [url=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/bloodlines.htm#fey]major fey bloodline from UA[/url]. [url=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#clericVariantCloisteredCleric]Cloistered Cleric[/url] grants a lore type ability. [url=http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20051007a&page=3]The Archivist[/url] is a divine full spellcaster with lore type abilities. How about some fanmade classes/prcs: The oldschool 1E Old Lore Bard as a 3E prc: [url]http://www.enworld.org/forum/pathfinder-rpg-discussion/273186-1e-3x-pathfinder-bard-prestige-class.html#post5116972[/url] (druidic spellcasting) [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-legacy-discussion/5937-skald-prestige-class-finally-done.html]A fanmade Skald (Bardbarian)[/url] [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-legacy-discussion/152054-looking-spell-less-bard-variant.html]Looking for Spell-less Bard variant thread[/url] [/QUOTE]
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