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<blockquote data-quote="candidus_cogitens" data-source="post: 628593" data-attributes="member: 770">Yes, of course, I do need to talk to my DM, and he'll make the final decision in my case.&nbsp; But I wanted to talk to you guys just for the sake of having a discussion about the rules themselves and how they SHOULD be interpreted, regardless of how my DM actually decides to interpret them.If I were presently running a campaign, I would not allow a bard to use bardic knowledge on anything, because that would make it too powerful.&nbsp; There should be some limits to the skill.&nbsp; And I think there is good evidence in the rules themselves that there should be some limitations.&nbsp; Why would the bard be given access to all knowledge skills, if those skills would be completely redundant.&nbsp; (Of course, your bardic knowledge modifier is always going to be three points lower than a maxed-out knowledge skill--but that fact would still not make it worthwhile to spend a bunch of skill points on a separate knowledge skill, especially when you could just take the Obscure Lore feat to cancel out that disadvantage.)The only reason I raised the question at all is that there is that possible redundancy.&nbsp; If your bard has no inclination to take knowledge skills anyway, then the vagueness of the bardic knowledge ability would not be a problem.&nbsp; You would think that the rules would have tried to avoid redundancy problems, especially since bards get access to all other knowledge skills.&nbsp; Maybe that will be cleared up in the upcoming edition.&nbsp; We can hope!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="candidus_cogitens, post: 628593, member: 770"] Yes, of course, I do need to talk to my DM, and he'll make the final decision in my case. But I wanted to talk to you guys just for the sake of having a discussion about the rules themselves and how they SHOULD be interpreted, regardless of how my DM actually decides to interpret them. If I were presently running a campaign, I would not allow a bard to use bardic knowledge on anything, because that would make it too powerful. There should be some limits to the skill. And I think there is good evidence in the rules themselves that there should be some limitations. Why would the bard be given access to all knowledge skills, if those skills would be completely redundant. (Of course, your bardic knowledge modifier is always going to be three points lower than a maxed-out knowledge skill--but that fact would still not make it worthwhile to spend a bunch of skill points on a separate knowledge skill, especially when you could just take the Obscure Lore feat to cancel out that disadvantage.) The only reason I raised the question at all is that there is that possible redundancy. If your bard has no inclination to take knowledge skills anyway, then the vagueness of the bardic knowledge ability would not be a problem. You would think that the rules would have tried to avoid redundancy problems, especially since bards get access to all other knowledge skills. Maybe that will be cleared up in the upcoming edition. We can hope! [/QUOTE]

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