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<blockquote data-quote="Inoeex" data-source="post: 6766085" data-attributes="member: 6802927">At this very moment I found most of non-pure damage spells useless in comparison to spells such as Fire Bolt which does make the player to cast a DC die for it : (Let me give you my char as an exampleHe has 5 Charisma Modifier and he is level 4 BardAccording to book my spell save DC = 8 + Prof Bonus + Charisma Modifier, which will be 15 for meImagine me facing a Druid with 5 Wisdom Modifier , which has 7 wisdom throwWhen I cast Vicious Mockery, he needs 15+ and he already has 7, with a D20 roll he has 60% chance of success :|It really sux that he can roll for the DC but I cant roll to make it harder, my spell save DC is a fix number while he has the chance to roll against it and the chance my victory is 40%&nbsp;:|Not to mention that 1st I need to die in order cast my spell the same as Fire Bolt to see if it hits the targetThen the target needs to make saving throw die, but the target of Fire Bolt will get direct damage</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Inoeex, post: 6766085, member: 6802927"] At this very moment I found most of non-pure damage spells useless in comparison to spells such as Fire Bolt which does make the player to cast a DC die for it : ( Let me give you my char as an example He has 5 Charisma Modifier and he is level 4 Bard According to book my spell save DC = 8 + Prof Bonus + Charisma Modifier, which will be 15 for me Imagine me facing a Druid with 5 Wisdom Modifier , which has 7 wisdom throw When I cast Vicious Mockery, he needs 15+ and he already has 7, with a D20 roll he has 60% chance of success :| It really sux that he can roll for the DC but I cant roll to make it harder, my spell save DC is a fix number while he has the chance to roll against it and the chance my victory is 40% :| Not to mention that 1st I need to die in order cast my spell the same as Fire Bolt to see if it hits the target Then the target needs to make saving throw die, but the target of Fire Bolt will get direct damage [/QUOTE]

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