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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tsyr" data-source="post: 949566" data-attributes="member: 354">Re: Bards are illusionists?*nod*Exactly.I mean, Belen, it seems you you want the bard to become some sort of fighter-mage... Wading into melee, casting magic missle around, etc.That's not what the bard class is supposed to be.The bard class is a subtle, social character, that is enough of a jack of all trades that he can do anything he puts his mind to... He can function as a thief, a backup healer, a melee fighter, a ranged fighter, a minor mage, plus some things that are unique to him (Bardic songs, and presumably high enough social skills to be a wonder in a city). That is what the bard is supposed to be, and it does that quite well. If you want to be truely GOOD at one of those things, you can do that too. I've seen bards that were more than able to hold their own in melee combat, for example. It just means you wont be quite as well rounded. I mean, who said every bard is going to have bad STR and CON? Just because that's how you would do it, doesn't mean that's how everyone would do it. I've seen nordic skald type bards that were terrors in combat.Just as a druid or ranger isn't an appropriate class for a group that never leaves cities and dungeons, or a paladin isn't any good for an evil group, the bard isn't a good class for a group that never does the type of things bards are good for.</blockquote>