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<blockquote data-quote="Belen" data-source="post: 949592" data-attributes="member: 1405">The point is that the PHB bard is stuck in ONE mold.&nbsp; Personally, Bard is my favorite class and I am not asking that they stand up to a fighter in a fight.&nbsp; I am asking that they be somewhat MORE jack of all trades.How is it that a jack of all trades is stuck to one path of spells?&nbsp; That path covers ONLY illusion and charm with very little in the way of sonic-type spells.&nbsp; Heck, a Bard does not even have to sing her spells in PHB-land.&nbsp; They should have a unique list that really locks in the flavor of a bard.This should include by sonic damage and non damage spells.&nbsp; The hodge-podge list in the PHB is just taken from other classes and does not work well and with the general spell nerfing in 3.5, the Bard only gets weaker.At least in 2e a Bard chose a limited number of spells from the arcane list, which correctly summized the &quot;grazing/ picking up on the fly&quot; aspect of the bard nature.This is why we use Monte's bard.&nbsp; It is a BALANCED class, unlike the PHB version which can never be more than support for others.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Belen, post: 949592, member: 1405"] The point is that the PHB bard is stuck in ONE mold. Personally, Bard is my favorite class and I am not asking that they stand up to a fighter in a fight. I am asking that they be somewhat MORE jack of all trades. How is it that a jack of all trades is stuck to one path of spells? That path covers ONLY illusion and charm with very little in the way of sonic-type spells. Heck, a Bard does not even have to sing her spells in PHB-land. They should have a unique list that really locks in the flavor of a bard. This should include by sonic damage and non damage spells. The hodge-podge list in the PHB is just taken from other classes and does not work well and with the general spell nerfing in 3.5, the Bard only gets weaker. At least in 2e a Bard chose a limited number of spells from the arcane list, which correctly summized the "grazing/ picking up on the fly" aspect of the bard nature. This is why we use Monte's bard. It is a BALANCED class, unlike the PHB version which can never be more than support for others. [/QUOTE]

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