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<blockquote data-quote="Dark Dragon" data-source="post: 949689" data-attributes="member: 1115"><p>We've house ruled the bard to be both a specialist in singing (with a lot more of bardic songs than those few in the PHB) and charming / enchanting people and monsters. Plus he is good in knowledge related skills and the only one who has Perform (splitted in several subtypes) as a class skill (so no rogue is better in perform than a bard..<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />). </p><p></p><p>The 3.5 bard is quite dissapointing, IMO. Each class has the ability to hold its ground in combat, being a good party supporter (yes, even a fighter can support the party with more than sword play) and shine in role-playing. </p><p></p><p>Of course, the bard is good at the last two points, and if you're focused on them IYC, the bard will provide lots of fun.</p><p></p><p>Combat takes a great part of D&D (the rules indicate that), and if there's something where the bard is weak in melee and spells and songs, than it's combat. His few spells might buff a bit, as can do his songs, but a wizard / sorcerer (perhaps with the virtuoso prc) or a cleric can do at lower levels with spells of similar effect. Healing: no need to waste spell slots if a cleric, druid or paladin is around. Offensive spells: All other spell casters are better in that than a bard. Skills: A rogue has more skill points and more class skills. Melee combat: weaker as a rogue (no sneak attacks), ranged combat: as a rogue. Feats: only a few, like a sorcerer. Bardic Knowledge: Ok, but depends on the DM what info is gained. And it can be replaced later with <em>Legend Lore</em> or <em>Commune</em> (to some degree).</p><p></p><p>My impression is that the bard gets a lot of drawbacks compared to other classes but only a little of pluses that CANNOT be replaced by a spell or ability from another core class.</p><p></p><p>My 2 cents...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dark Dragon, post: 949689, member: 1115"] We've house ruled the bard to be both a specialist in singing (with a lot more of bardic songs than those few in the PHB) and charming / enchanting people and monsters. Plus he is good in knowledge related skills and the only one who has Perform (splitted in several subtypes) as a class skill (so no rogue is better in perform than a bard..;)). The 3.5 bard is quite dissapointing, IMO. Each class has the ability to hold its ground in combat, being a good party supporter (yes, even a fighter can support the party with more than sword play) and shine in role-playing. Of course, the bard is good at the last two points, and if you're focused on them IYC, the bard will provide lots of fun. Combat takes a great part of D&D (the rules indicate that), and if there's something where the bard is weak in melee and spells and songs, than it's combat. His few spells might buff a bit, as can do his songs, but a wizard / sorcerer (perhaps with the virtuoso prc) or a cleric can do at lower levels with spells of similar effect. Healing: no need to waste spell slots if a cleric, druid or paladin is around. Offensive spells: All other spell casters are better in that than a bard. Skills: A rogue has more skill points and more class skills. Melee combat: weaker as a rogue (no sneak attacks), ranged combat: as a rogue. Feats: only a few, like a sorcerer. Bardic Knowledge: Ok, but depends on the DM what info is gained. And it can be replaced later with [i]Legend Lore[/i] or [i]Commune[/i] (to some degree). My impression is that the bard gets a lot of drawbacks compared to other classes but only a little of pluses that CANNOT be replaced by a spell or ability from another core class. My 2 cents... [/QUOTE]
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