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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hikaru" data-source="post: 952614" data-attributes="member: 5553">They have so many more spells than bards that they can carry as many buffs than the bards have spells + bard songs total and still have slots left.Dominate Monster is a 9th-lvl. wiz/sor spell, not a bard spell.Clerics are better spellcasters, by a large margin. At level 17, a Cleric cast Miracle, which allows him to cast any of the bard spells without an XP cost. At level 17, Clerics can cast 2 9th-lvl. spells and the bard 1 6th-level spell. Bards are completely outclassed here too.Clerics have better armor, and can use a martial weapon at the cost of one feat. They also can buff themselves to the teeth. Divine Power is scary: full BAB, 1 more HP per level, and +6 to Strength. The Bard is utterly crushed, once more.Right. A bit better for the Cleric, because Will depends from Wisdom, which is his main attribute. No save depends from Charisma.Nothing to spit upon, but not big enough to fill the gap, by a long stretch.You'll have a hard time convincing anyone on those boards than Bards are on par with Clerics in most respects, but in skills in which they are better.</blockquote>