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Bardic Song, the Message Spell and the can of worms
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<blockquote data-quote="BSF" data-source="post: 1503395" data-attributes="member: 13098"><p>Bardic Music is either a Supernatural or a Spell-like ability, depending on which one is being used. If you are going to argue that a Bard should be able to use Message to convey them, then all Supernatural & Spell-like abilities should be able to be conveyed via Message. And if Spell-like abilities can be used, then why not spells themselves? </p><p></p><p>It is an interesting thought, but not one that I would allow in my campaign without a whole lot of evaluation. Off the top of my head, I would definitely nerf the spell duration and provide a will save for the targets. But I really doubt I would be convinced to allow it.</p><p></p><p>As well, Message delivers a whispered message. Bardic Music is generally applied via a Perform check. I have a difficult time conceptualizing a Bard toning down a performance so nobody hears it, just so you can whisper it. You lose your impact. For the same reason, I would not allow a Bard to use Bardic Music through a Telepathic Bond. </p><p></p><p>As I said, it is an interesting thought. It is creative thinking by a player to gain more utility out of the spell. However, I would have to disgree on the following grounds.</p><p>- The spell is not meant to deliver sound based spells, spell-like abilties or supernatural abilities.</p><p>- Bardic Music requires a legitimate performance to actually inspire anything. Whispering under your breath is not performing, it's jitters, and memorization. It's the verbal equivelant of fingering excercises.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BSF, post: 1503395, member: 13098"] Bardic Music is either a Supernatural or a Spell-like ability, depending on which one is being used. If you are going to argue that a Bard should be able to use Message to convey them, then all Supernatural & Spell-like abilities should be able to be conveyed via Message. And if Spell-like abilities can be used, then why not spells themselves? It is an interesting thought, but not one that I would allow in my campaign without a whole lot of evaluation. Off the top of my head, I would definitely nerf the spell duration and provide a will save for the targets. But I really doubt I would be convinced to allow it. As well, Message delivers a whispered message. Bardic Music is generally applied via a Perform check. I have a difficult time conceptualizing a Bard toning down a performance so nobody hears it, just so you can whisper it. You lose your impact. For the same reason, I would not allow a Bard to use Bardic Music through a Telepathic Bond. As I said, it is an interesting thought. It is creative thinking by a player to gain more utility out of the spell. However, I would have to disgree on the following grounds. - The spell is not meant to deliver sound based spells, spell-like abilties or supernatural abilities. - Bardic Music requires a legitimate performance to actually inspire anything. Whispering under your breath is not performing, it's jitters, and memorization. It's the verbal equivelant of fingering excercises. [/QUOTE]
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