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<blockquote data-quote="Albert_Fish" data-source="post: 643383" data-attributes="member: 1780">WEll my&nbsp; campaign has&nbsp; hit a&nbsp; wonderful snag.&nbsp; i say&nbsp; wonderful&nbsp; because it&nbsp; actually propelled the&nbsp; game&nbsp; forward,&nbsp; led to&nbsp; 2 hours of&nbsp; total enjoyment and&nbsp;&nbsp; generally&nbsp; rocked.What&nbsp;&nbsp; amazing&nbsp; facet of the game did this?&nbsp; Why, the&nbsp; Bard's&nbsp; FASCINATE&nbsp; class ability did.&nbsp;&nbsp; According to the rules any&nbsp; creature&nbsp; failing a&nbsp; will save&nbsp; vs the&nbsp; bard's perform skill can be&nbsp; fascinated.&nbsp; what the hell does this mean?&nbsp; Is the&nbsp; target charmed?&nbsp; Or&nbsp; does his&nbsp; reaction just change?&nbsp; is there a&nbsp; limit to&nbsp; audience size or&nbsp; distance ( within&nbsp; audible range, i suppose)&nbsp; Are&nbsp; elves immune or&nbsp; do they&nbsp; gain a&nbsp;&nbsp; bonus to saves (+2 vs&nbsp; Enchantment)?If&nbsp; this class ability works as&nbsp;&nbsp; we played&nbsp; it, then the&nbsp; bard&nbsp; rocks.&nbsp; Most high&nbsp; level clerics would&nbsp; fail&nbsp; a&nbsp; save&nbsp; vs the&nbsp; fascinate&nbsp; ability.Under&nbsp; what&nbsp; circumstances&nbsp; does it not&nbsp; work?&nbsp; What&nbsp; constitutes a threat?&nbsp;&nbsp; in our&nbsp; case the&nbsp; PCs were under&nbsp; lock and key and being heavily&nbsp; guarded in an elven work camp.&nbsp; In another&nbsp; instance the&nbsp; elves&nbsp; had&nbsp; chased them to the edge of the&nbsp; lizard&nbsp; man swamps.&nbsp; In&nbsp; either&nbsp; case it seems&nbsp; as if they can be FASCINATED.What&nbsp; do&nbsp; creatures&nbsp;&nbsp; do once&nbsp; fascinated?&nbsp; If&nbsp; Charmed&nbsp; do the&nbsp; do as the&nbsp; PC or Pcs ask?&nbsp; Removing&nbsp; armour,&nbsp; giving up&nbsp; weapons etc.?&nbsp; My&nbsp; party of&nbsp;&nbsp; 4 third level PCs and their&nbsp;&nbsp; fourkobold henchmen beat a&nbsp;&nbsp; party of&nbsp; 20 wood elves&nbsp; for goodness sakes!&nbsp;&nbsp; Heck, i bet&nbsp;&nbsp; witha&nbsp; good roll a&nbsp; Dragon&nbsp; might&nbsp; be&nbsp; fascinated.This is&nbsp; all fine and good, but&nbsp; it&nbsp; seems that with&nbsp; skill ranks&nbsp;&nbsp; easily&nbsp; outstripping will saves that the&nbsp; poor&nbsp;&nbsp; recipients of the&nbsp; Bard's FASCINATE class ability&nbsp; are but&nbsp;&nbsp; would-be puppets.ami&nbsp; totally interpretting this wrong (i have hated&nbsp; bards for being&nbsp;&nbsp; wusses up&nbsp; until this&nbsp; point,&nbsp; maybe i should&nbsp; rethink my&nbsp;&nbsp; opinion).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Albert_Fish, post: 643383, member: 1780"] WEll my campaign has hit a wonderful snag. i say wonderful because it actually propelled the game forward, led to 2 hours of total enjoyment and generally rocked. What amazing facet of the game did this? Why, the Bard's FASCINATE class ability did. According to the rules any creature failing a will save vs the bard's perform skill can be fascinated. what the hell does this mean? Is the target charmed? Or does his reaction just change? is there a limit to audience size or distance ( within audible range, i suppose) Are elves immune or do they gain a bonus to saves (+2 vs Enchantment)? If this class ability works as we played it, then the bard rocks. Most high level clerics would fail a save vs the fascinate ability. Under what circumstances does it not work? What constitutes a threat? in our case the PCs were under lock and key and being heavily guarded in an elven work camp. In another instance the elves had chased them to the edge of the lizard man swamps. In either case it seems as if they can be FASCINATED. What do creatures do once fascinated? If Charmed do the do as the PC or Pcs ask? Removing armour, giving up weapons etc.? My party of 4 third level PCs and their fourkobold henchmen beat a party of 20 wood elves for goodness sakes! Heck, i bet witha good roll a Dragon might be fascinated. This is all fine and good, but it seems that with skill ranks easily outstripping will saves that the poor recipients of the Bard's FASCINATE class ability are but would-be puppets. ami totally interpretting this wrong (i have hated bards for being wusses up until this point, maybe i should rethink my opinion). [/QUOTE]

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