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<blockquote data-quote="cmanos" data-source="post: 2223337" data-attributes="member: 25472">Chant of Fortitude - Complete AdventurerIronskin Chant - Complete AdventurerLyric Spell - Complete Adventurerthe difference between bards and clerics is much greater than hit points, yes.&nbsp; Bards aren't there just to compose little ditties about the parties heroics.&nbsp; Granted that is a huge benefit and is a very good thing to get your name out.&nbsp; If you do any kind of roleplaying and footwork (meanling gathering information, etc), bards are probably more useful than rogues.&nbsp; Bards get a huge lot of skills per level.&nbsp; While a bard is singing, he my not be contributing DIRECTLY to the combat, but buffing up the rest of your party and making them more effective....where do you see this as a bad thing?&nbsp; Most people just use Clerics as walking ambulances.&nbsp; How about talking your way out of a battle you know you can't win by physical force?&nbsp; Bard...Duh....Instead of bitching about it, how about let him play what he wants to play and experiencing it before making any kind of judgement.&nbsp; Especially since you haven't even read the bard rules you have access to...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="cmanos, post: 2223337, member: 25472"] Chant of Fortitude - Complete Adventurer Ironskin Chant - Complete Adventurer Lyric Spell - Complete Adventurer the difference between bards and clerics is much greater than hit points, yes. Bards aren't there just to compose little ditties about the parties heroics. Granted that is a huge benefit and is a very good thing to get your name out. If you do any kind of roleplaying and footwork (meanling gathering information, etc), bards are probably more useful than rogues. Bards get a huge lot of skills per level. While a bard is singing, he my not be contributing DIRECTLY to the combat, but buffing up the rest of your party and making them more effective....where do you see this as a bad thing? Most people just use Clerics as walking ambulances. How about talking your way out of a battle you know you can't win by physical force? Bard...Duh.... Instead of bitching about it, how about let him play what he wants to play and experiencing it before making any kind of judgement. Especially since you haven't even read the bard rules you have access to... [/QUOTE]

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