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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 2229954" data-attributes="member: 259">True:  they'll be second-best to rogues in this department. Not quite true.  Sorcerers get enchantment spells about a level after bards get them, in general.  While they can cast more, the bard's superior skill ranks will make certain actions within the enchantment spells much easier (as stated before, bluff is great for making a Suggestion seem reasonable; Disguise can help with a charm monster or suggestion).  And Bards get several enchantmenty-type powers as bardic music, which is highly flexible.  I still maintain that a bard makes a better enchanter than a sorcerer, even if we discount the general benefits of better saves (I think) and better HP and better armor. Doesn't really require lots of level of bard; it's always useful.  Relying on the town sage requires being near a town and requires wasting time while the sage looks it up; this is akin to saying that casting Raise Dead is what the town cleric is for, or that creating magic items is what the town wizard is for, and discounting these abilities thereby.  Very few clerics, druids, or rangers will be as diplomatic as a bard, and paladins who are as good as bards are at diplomacy do so at the cost of having any other skill.  Even then, bards are likely to get +6 synergy bonuses to diplomacy by third or fourth level; they'll probably outpace all other classes at diplomacy (since the second-best competition, the rogue, probably doesn't have cha as a primary stat). True:  bards are second-class archers. I can't comment on this. I agree that constant singing is probably unwise in most cases.  But a bard can sing the first round and cast haste the second round; a sorcerer can't cast haste the first round and sing the second round.  And at eighth level, inspire courage far outpowers haste in many circumstances (i.e, any circumstance in which full attacks are difficult). For myself, I've used only SRD material in the defense. Again, I disagree:  I think bards do a set of complementary tasks (namely, convincing people to do what you want them to do) better than anyone else, and are quite good at a range of other tasks (especially buffing and researching).  I'm playing the second bard I've played, and find that clever exploitation of these abilities makes the class quite powerful indeed. Daniel</blockquote>

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