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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Souljourner" data-source="post: 2328806" data-attributes="member: 1622">Ok, so it's possible at really high levels with enough cheese.  With the first attack.  What about with the second?  Third?  Fourth?  And what about before 20th?  Level 8? 12?  Your attack bonus is going to be *much* lower, because you won't have a +6 strength item, a +5 book, or a +5 magic weapon.   And I don't know about you, but 99.9% of the games I've played in are levels 1-14... and you definitely run into things all the time that are really difficult to hit.Kilroy, you say they have to be good enough all the time... the bard is way more likely to stay good enough all the time than any specialist class.  You're saying that the Wizard is doing anything useful when you happen upon a golem?  Or how about fighters against DR they can't bypass, or rogues against undead?  Specialists are WAY more likely to be completely useless during a fight than a generalist.-The Souljourner</blockquote>