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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Seeten" data-source="post: 2903997" data-attributes="member: 27186">Bards dont need spellcasting, IMO. They need better abilities as a face, con-man, flim flam artist, jack of all trades, and musician/comedian/poet. Bards ought to be able to fight well, as well as a rogue. They ought to have a deep face oriented skill list, but none of the rogue disable/open lock/trapfind skills. They ought to get a ton of skill points, +1 extra, for perform. Maybe +2 for perform of 2 different sorts. The ought to have a hit die as a secondary fighter, as historically, bards were secondary fighters. Sometimes primary. d8 at least.Whats this give me: well, it gives me a rogue, really. The best bard is a rogue who concentrates on charisma. Its certainly the closest to a RL Skald, or War Drummer. I feel bad for the whole design of bard, because its flawed right from the getgo.</blockquote>