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<blockquote data-quote="Benjamin Olson" data-source="post: 8391794" data-attributes="member: 6988941"><p>What exactly constitutes a jack of all trades to you? Because aside from the feature named as such in 5e they also get a spell list that made them the only caster (originally when the PHB came out) whose spell list was a blend of the traditionally Arcane and Divine (outside some "arcane heavy" extra spell lists for Land Druids and such, once again pre-additional subclasses being added), a feature that lets them eventually pilfer spells from anyone's spell list, the far from complete but fairly robust weapon and armor proficiencies of a rogue, and are the only class who can choose absolutely whatever they want for class skills. The original phb subclass options were one that enabled more borrowed spells and more skills and one that enabled extra attack and martial proficiencies in weapons and armor. It seemed pretty "jack of all trades" to me. At the very least it is jack of whatever trades it wants to be. Ultimately you have to make some sacrifices if you want to avoid the "master of none" corollary.</p><p></p><p>Now I do think in current 5e where we have Divine Soul Sorcerers, Arcana Clerics, Celestial Warlocks, and endless subclasses with extra spells or features from some completely different class that the goalposts have moved a bit, but the original design of 5e seems to have placed making uniquely niche-transgressive aspects of the Bard forefront in the design of the class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Benjamin Olson, post: 8391794, member: 6988941"] What exactly constitutes a jack of all trades to you? Because aside from the feature named as such in 5e they also get a spell list that made them the only caster (originally when the PHB came out) whose spell list was a blend of the traditionally Arcane and Divine (outside some "arcane heavy" extra spell lists for Land Druids and such, once again pre-additional subclasses being added), a feature that lets them eventually pilfer spells from anyone's spell list, the far from complete but fairly robust weapon and armor proficiencies of a rogue, and are the only class who can choose absolutely whatever they want for class skills. The original phb subclass options were one that enabled more borrowed spells and more skills and one that enabled extra attack and martial proficiencies in weapons and armor. It seemed pretty "jack of all trades" to me. At the very least it is jack of whatever trades it wants to be. Ultimately you have to make some sacrifices if you want to avoid the "master of none" corollary. Now I do think in current 5e where we have Divine Soul Sorcerers, Arcana Clerics, Celestial Warlocks, and endless subclasses with extra spells or features from some completely different class that the goalposts have moved a bit, but the original design of 5e seems to have placed making uniquely niche-transgressive aspects of the Bard forefront in the design of the class. [/QUOTE]
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