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Message: <blockquote data-quote="der_kluge" data-source="post: 2132706" data-attributes="member: 945">I hate it. Therefore it sucks. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Seriously, the lack of good spellcasting, the *flavor* of the bardic songs, the lack of exceptional combat skills... The main thing I don't like is that the only reason to advance in bard after first level are for the paltry songs (the best one comes first), and to get that +1 per level to the bardic knowledge skill. That, and the concept of a charisma-based caster for the bard makes no sense. This is a class who is supposed to pick up his skills from various sources along the way. Yet, his spellcasting is inate?  That utter rubbish, in my mind.  That makes sense for sorcerers, but makes no sense for bards. The designers only did that because they wanted to reinforce the charisma aspect of the bard. Which is the other problem I have with the class - it's not a jack of all trades. It's specifically designed to be a manipulator/enchanter, and nothing more. If you're going to do that, you're better off playing a sorcerer specializing in enchantment spells.</blockquote>