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<blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 2133445" data-attributes="member: 30001">I believe that their nerfing of the ability stemmed from the fact that the bards are the unwanted outsiders of DnD classes.&nbsp; Can you imagine &quot;wizards can't use spells in the WLD?&quot;&nbsp; That would certainly raise a few eyebrows.&nbsp;&nbsp;And jumping off a 100 ft cliff and surviving is an &quot;extra-ordinary&quot; ability of high level fighters.&nbsp; The fantasy character can perform some pretty amazing feats, nothing I was suggesting regarding a bard's memory need be magical in nature.&nbsp;&nbsp;True, and game balance would certainly have to be taken into account before a person's campaign culture would ever adopt my recommendations.&nbsp; It would be like introducing thieves into your campaign world if you never had them before - all of the sudden people start sneaking around obstacles in completely unconventional ways.&nbsp; You might be tempted to nerf thieves at that point (&quot;monsters in the WLD are paranoid, so nothing in the WLD can be snuck past&quot;) but the better choice would be to adapt.&nbsp; &nbsp;I will recognize that there is very little in the 3E rules to help DMs rule on this.&nbsp; It would be as if the magic rules said:&nbsp; &quot;roll a 1d20+your wizard level, then the DM decides what the effects are of your spell&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gizmo33, post: 2133445, member: 30001"] I believe that their nerfing of the ability stemmed from the fact that the bards are the unwanted outsiders of DnD classes. Can you imagine "wizards can't use spells in the WLD?" That would certainly raise a few eyebrows. And jumping off a 100 ft cliff and surviving is an "extra-ordinary" ability of high level fighters. The fantasy character can perform some pretty amazing feats, nothing I was suggesting regarding a bard's memory need be magical in nature. True, and game balance would certainly have to be taken into account before a person's campaign culture would ever adopt my recommendations. It would be like introducing thieves into your campaign world if you never had them before - all of the sudden people start sneaking around obstacles in completely unconventional ways. You might be tempted to nerf thieves at that point ("monsters in the WLD are paranoid, so nothing in the WLD can be snuck past") but the better choice would be to adapt. I will recognize that there is very little in the 3E rules to help DMs rule on this. It would be as if the magic rules said: "roll a 1d20+your wizard level, then the DM decides what the effects are of your spell". [/QUOTE]

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