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<blockquote data-quote="kigmatzomat" data-source="post: 2133676" data-attributes="member: 9254"><p>We're ranging into semantics but within my profession (engineering, not law) I encounter indirect and evasive statements that I do have the skillset to understand. Matter of fact, by *virtue* of that skillset I can tell that they are being evasive and indirect. A bard may be able to tell that a bit of text is evasive and know to mistrust it but should not be able to fill in the holes without other sources of information. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is where you lose me. I don't see the relevance between academic meta discussions on oral-history cultures and the game. I don't see where it has entered the mechanics of the game. I don't see how your knowledge of history has such a detrimental impact on your enjoyment of a game that you know has only a passing hand-waive to realism. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually I meant your bias of English bards. (Or cornish/welsh/scottish/irish bards). If you extrapolate a bard into the D&D setting they would be loathe to limit themselves to epic sagas and song. They should be conversant in multiple mediums and have as little preference as possible. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I see no problem with poetic sagas in FRP. I use them, conceptually, in my games. (Can't write one and don't try so I simply state "it loses something in the translation.") The only reason I can imagine you perceive a bias against them is that people quest out hidden books for lost knowledge.</p><p></p><p>But you see, if there's someone who knows the poetic saga then the knowledge isn't <em>lost</em>. It may be hidden but as long as there's a sentient being who knows the story it isn't lost. Kill off everyone who knew what happened and swear the all-seeing gods to an oath and you'd best hope one of them wrote something down! Or used a memory stone, put the story in an echo chamber or taught it to a golem. </p><p></p><p>So if you think epic sagas are missing from D&D I suggest you write a few adventures that make them useful and not rewrite a perfectly functional class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kigmatzomat, post: 2133676, member: 9254"] We're ranging into semantics but within my profession (engineering, not law) I encounter indirect and evasive statements that I do have the skillset to understand. Matter of fact, by *virtue* of that skillset I can tell that they are being evasive and indirect. A bard may be able to tell that a bit of text is evasive and know to mistrust it but should not be able to fill in the holes without other sources of information. This is where you lose me. I don't see the relevance between academic meta discussions on oral-history cultures and the game. I don't see where it has entered the mechanics of the game. I don't see how your knowledge of history has such a detrimental impact on your enjoyment of a game that you know has only a passing hand-waive to realism. Actually I meant your bias of English bards. (Or cornish/welsh/scottish/irish bards). If you extrapolate a bard into the D&D setting they would be loathe to limit themselves to epic sagas and song. They should be conversant in multiple mediums and have as little preference as possible. I see no problem with poetic sagas in FRP. I use them, conceptually, in my games. (Can't write one and don't try so I simply state "it loses something in the translation.") The only reason I can imagine you perceive a bias against them is that people quest out hidden books for lost knowledge. But you see, if there's someone who knows the poetic saga then the knowledge isn't [i]lost[/i]. It may be hidden but as long as there's a sentient being who knows the story it isn't lost. Kill off everyone who knew what happened and swear the all-seeing gods to an oath and you'd best hope one of them wrote something down! Or used a memory stone, put the story in an echo chamber or taught it to a golem. So if you think epic sagas are missing from D&D I suggest you write a few adventures that make them useful and not rewrite a perfectly functional class. [/QUOTE]
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