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<blockquote data-quote="see" data-source="post: 7194651" data-attributes="member: 10531">The AD&amp;D 1e bard seems to have been almost a &quot;Celtization&quot; by Gygax, since it replaced magic-user elements with druid elements.&nbsp; I note the Strategic Review bard was reprinted in Best of the Dragon/Best of Dragon Magazine (which is the title depends whether you go by the cover or the interior title) volume I, in 1985, on p.47.&nbsp; So it was not a lost artifact of the early era when the development of AD&amp;D 2nd was being undertaken, and yes, it's fairly obvious that provided the model for the AD&amp;D 2nd bard, and thus to the 3e bard.Whether Gygax thought the concept was a good one I'm not of sure about.&nbsp; AD&amp;D 1st's PHB included every class that was published for the original D&amp;D in the Supplements or the Strategic Review, so he might have just been being comprehensive about including classes.&nbsp; The introductory text in the 1e PHB on p.117 seems to me to be hinting pretty heavily that DMs should not allow it.&nbsp; Similarly, requiring four 15s, a 12, and a 10 for ability scores seems almost designed to keep anyone from playing it even if the class was allowed by the DM.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="see, post: 7194651, member: 10531"] The AD&D 1e bard seems to have been almost a "Celtization" by Gygax, since it replaced magic-user elements with druid elements. I note the Strategic Review bard was reprinted in [I]Best of the Dragon[/I]/[I]Best of Dragon Magazine[/I] (which is the title depends whether you go by the cover or the interior title) volume I, in 1985, on p.47. So it was not a lost artifact of the early era when the development of AD&D 2nd was being undertaken, and yes, it's fairly obvious that provided the model for the AD&D 2nd bard, and thus to the 3e bard. Whether Gygax thought the concept was a good one I'm not of sure about. AD&D 1st's PHB included [I]every[/I] class that was published for the original D&D in the Supplements or the Strategic Review, so he might have just been being comprehensive about including classes. The introductory text in the 1e PHB on p.117 seems to me to be hinting pretty heavily that DMs should not allow it. Similarly, requiring four 15s, a 12, and a 10 for ability scores seems almost designed to keep anyone from playing it even if the class [I]was[/I] allowed by the DM. [/QUOTE]

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