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Barovia and Borca: What is the world they originated from like? And what could it be like now?
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<blockquote data-quote="TwiceBorn2" data-source="post: 8309950" data-attributes="member: 7017725"><p>This is probably the most comprehensive pre-D&D 5e Strahd timeline, compiled by the Fraternity of Shadows, arguably some of the most ardent fans of Ravenloft: <a href="https://www.fraternityofshadows.com/wiki/Count_Strahd_von_Zarovich" target="_blank">Count Strahd von Zarovich - Mistipedia</a>.</p><p></p><p>I don't have VRGtR yet, but this whole business about priests of Osybus was a clumsy retcon to some of the old guard, or just a plain old reboot to others, which ultimately had the effect of diminishing Strahd's own culpability in becoming cursed (see <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/CurseofStrahd/comments/nfsb9o/priests_of_osybus_in_cos_how_do_they_fit/" target="_blank">this discussion</a>, for example).</p><p></p><p>Strahd was the first vampire in Ravenloft, and possibly even the first vampire in his original world... and thus, to his knowledge, he may very well have been the first vampire ever. But there are plenty of vampires across the D&D multiverse that have objectively been in existence longer than Strahd. The 3.0 module The Sunless Citadel (updated in Tales from the Yawning Portal) claims that a vampire named Gulthias was the first vampire (that's the product in which the Gulthias Tree found in CoS made its original appearance). That said, I don't find the Gulthias-as-first-vampire story very compelling, either (again, pretty sure there were vampires in the lore of various D&D settings prior to Gulthias), unless you find creative ways to interpret its wording/meaning.</p><p></p><p>One can also interpret "first vampire" as the most prestigious among his kind (i.e., the 'premier' vampire), or the first of a line (and Strahd would probably qualify as both in Ravenloft).</p><p></p><p>I'm sure that the more knowledgeable folks at <a href="http://www.fraternityofshadows.com" target="_blank">www.fraternityofshadows.com</a> forums (Le Cafe de Nuit) would be happy to delve into the OP's questions in greater depth... if the OP hasn't been there already.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TwiceBorn2, post: 8309950, member: 7017725"] This is probably the most comprehensive pre-D&D 5e Strahd timeline, compiled by the Fraternity of Shadows, arguably some of the most ardent fans of Ravenloft: [URL='https://www.fraternityofshadows.com/wiki/Count_Strahd_von_Zarovich']Count Strahd von Zarovich - Mistipedia[/URL]. I don't have VRGtR yet, but this whole business about priests of Osybus was a clumsy retcon to some of the old guard, or just a plain old reboot to others, which ultimately had the effect of diminishing Strahd's own culpability in becoming cursed (see [URL='https://www.reddit.com/r/CurseofStrahd/comments/nfsb9o/priests_of_osybus_in_cos_how_do_they_fit/']this discussion[/URL], for example). Strahd was the first vampire in Ravenloft, and possibly even the first vampire in his original world... and thus, to his knowledge, he may very well have been the first vampire ever. But there are plenty of vampires across the D&D multiverse that have objectively been in existence longer than Strahd. The 3.0 module The Sunless Citadel (updated in Tales from the Yawning Portal) claims that a vampire named Gulthias was the first vampire (that's the product in which the Gulthias Tree found in CoS made its original appearance). That said, I don't find the Gulthias-as-first-vampire story very compelling, either (again, pretty sure there were vampires in the lore of various D&D settings prior to Gulthias), unless you find creative ways to interpret its wording/meaning. One can also interpret "first vampire" as the most prestigious among his kind (i.e., the 'premier' vampire), or the first of a line (and Strahd would probably qualify as both in Ravenloft). I'm sure that the more knowledgeable folks at [URL='http://www.fraternityofshadows.com']www.fraternityofshadows.com[/URL] forums (Le Cafe de Nuit) would be happy to delve into the OP's questions in greater depth... if the OP hasn't been there already. [/QUOTE]
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