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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 5846984" data-attributes="member: 6669384">Say your PC is fighting a monster, then does a "Poof-gone" maneuver, whether it's a one round invisibility as some classes or races might get, longer standard Invisibility or even Improved  doesn't matter.Unless the monster has the linear memory of a goldfish, he won't just forget that the PC was there.  He'll try to guess where the character is.  a successful Spot check (DC20 by the book) will tell them which square the PC is in, though they still have a 50/50 miss chance.  The same thing for a Listen check.If they fail these they'll probably attack at random.  I assign a base 50% chance they'll swing at the square the PC was just in, but that's strictly a house rule.  After that they'll pick at random and take their shot.  And even if they guess right, the 50/50 miss chance still applies.If, on the other hand, the PC isn't vanishing while in combat, things work out very differently.  You want to sneak up on that person/thing over there?  Most of the time they make their Spot checks at -5 for being distracted, and the DC is still 20 to notice that there's an invisible creature in the area.  Now I know a lot of people who treat Invisibility as a +20 to the Hide check, and that's a reasonable house rule.  As written though, a good stealth type should avoid use of the spell since it may actually make them easier to Spot.(We have a Whisper Gnome Rogue in our party (NPC), and his Hide check was +23 at 8th level.  That means his casual/average Hide check is 33.  Adding Invisibility on top of that, per RAW, actually makes him easier to spot.  )Hey, if I can make fun of the 4e rules, I can make fun of the 3.* rules as well.  I endeavor to be an equal opportunity annoyer. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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