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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Creamsteak" data-source="post: 4836854" data-attributes="member: 552">Part of my issue with the saves is that, while they vary by about 5 at most (before race/class bonuses modify them) at 1st level, at 30th... worst case... they can be different by 10 (ability score modifier difference) + 6 (feats) + 2 or possibly 3 from item bonuses + 1 from class. A 19-20 point range is just too large of a birth to deal with. Really, the problem components there are the feats and the items. When they are used to bolster up a weak save, they work great. When they are used to boost an already strong save though, they skew target numbers.Or simply shore up weak saves by giving a minimum modifier per level to saves. What I mean by that your saves ability modifier component would be (your ability score modifier, or 1/6 your level, whichever is greater). That would still fill the gap. There's a lot of potential solutions to these issues, obviously.</blockquote>