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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LiL KiNG" data-source="post: 5779416" data-attributes="member: 83799">I'm pretty sure I have this right but not sure where to find validation; I have a player asking me if the Iron Will feat adds the +2 to Will saves to his Base Save score because it is an unnamed bonus, and this is his reasoning;Base Attack and Save BonusesThe  base attack bonus and base save bonuses a character gets from class  levels -- or that a creature gets from its type and Hit Dice -- are not  true bonuses at all. (That's one reason why base attack and save bonuses  aren't mentioned in the Bonus Types section in Chapter 2 of the Dungeon Master's Guide.) This  is a situation where the language of the game gets a little muddy. Base  attack and save bonuses are called "bonuses" strictly as a matter of  convenience, mostly because you write them down and use them just like a  regular bonus. You can treat a base attack bonus or a base save bonus just like an unnamed bonus,  except that two or more base attack or save bonuses from  different classes always stack. You cannot take a class twice and stack  the base attack or base save bonuses from the class. Instead, you must  add up all your levels in the class and use the appropriate base attack  and base save bonuses for that level.Unnamed Bonuses A  bonus that doesn't have a name stacks with anything except itself. This  is always true, but it's sometimes hard to remember. For example, many feats provide unnamed bonuses,  so don't panic when you read a feat description  and it provides a bonus without a name. An unnamed bonus from a feat  stacks with any other bonus; however you can't stack that unnamed bonus  if you take the feat twice. My interpretation is the Base score is derived from your class, Iron Will being an unnamed bonus just means it stacks as a Misc. Bonus entry and added to the overall Will save score along with the Base score, magic item bonus, racial bonus, etc.I think he's trying to quickly find a way into either a feat or PrC that requires a base Will score of x, but not positive - and if he is right that would be helpful to know as well.Any input on this would be greatly appreciated, thanks.</blockquote>

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