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<blockquote data-quote="JeffB" data-source="post: 6157147" data-attributes="member: 518">You are assuming a motive in the part you quoted, that is not there. I stand by my comment. In the 1970s the expectations of the TSR staff were that the game were guidelines, and any intelligent, creative, rational thinking &quot;adult&quot; , likely already having an interest in S&amp;S and/or wargaming, would take the game, fill in gaps, and make it theirs.&nbsp; It is all over products of the time period. They were books made by a hobby company for hobbyists. It is only once D&amp;D started to become a worldwide fad/phenomenon , where the audience became exponentially greater, they felt the need to fill in the gaps, and hand hold people through learning all the details. Yes, I said&nbsp; &quot;Hand Hold&quot; ....it is &quot;Hand holding&quot; to walk you through all the &quot;tough parts&quot;.&nbsp; TSR also found it quite beneficial financially, and thus set up the business model of selling you pre-packaged everything that still is in vogue today (i.e. beat you over the head with splats, editions, settings, modules etc). In the 1980s D&amp;D was BIG business, and no longer in any way, shape or form, was TSR the same company of the 1970s....i.e. hobbyists writing for hobbyists.I am still playing 35 years later...I reckon that Holmes set was not nearly as bad as you make it out to be.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JeffB, post: 6157147, member: 518"] You are assuming a motive in the part you quoted, that is not there. I stand by my comment. In the 1970s the expectations of the TSR staff were that the game were guidelines, and any intelligent, creative, rational thinking "adult" , likely already having an interest in S&S and/or wargaming, would take the game, fill in gaps, and make it theirs. It is all over products of the time period. They were books made by a hobby company for hobbyists. It is only once D&D started to become a worldwide fad/phenomenon , where the audience became exponentially greater, they felt the need to fill in the gaps, and hand hold people through learning all the details. Yes, I said "Hand Hold" ....it is "Hand holding" to walk you through all the "tough parts". TSR also found it quite beneficial financially, and thus set up the business model of selling you pre-packaged everything that still is in vogue today (i.e. beat you over the head with splats, editions, settings, modules etc). In the 1980s D&D was BIG business, and no longer in any way, shape or form, was TSR the same company of the 1970s....i.e. hobbyists writing for hobbyists. I am still playing 35 years later...I reckon that Holmes set was not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. [/QUOTE]

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