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<blockquote data-quote="JeffB" data-source="post: 6159770" data-attributes="member: 518">:sigh:I never said Holmes was my fave version of the rules or I love them so much.In fact I said Moldvay/Cook/Marsh was.I never said Holmes was written better. I said Moldvay actually cleared up some things for me.My assertion is that it just wasn't as horrendous as the OP thinks it is, looking back in nearly 40 years of retrospect and game design. I was there. we used it, and we had a blast. None of us felt the &quot;need&quot; for better written rules at the time. We felt the need for more &quot;stuff&quot;...spells..classes, monsters etc.&nbsp; You can argue until you turn blue (no pun intended) how &quot;bad&quot; it was. The Holmes set worked phenomenally well.&nbsp; TSR sold a shitpile of them despite the warts... EDIT-&nbsp; OVER a hundred&nbsp; thousand /EDIT of them (the info is available in lots of places, including the 25TH Anniversary box se, and TSR staffer posts on places like DF and the Acaeum). Plenty of people STILL cite it as their fave edition, and retroclones of it are popping up everywhere. I really do not see why this is so hard to understand.Here......maybe I should edit my edit..as I undershot And some more</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JeffB, post: 6159770, member: 518"] :sigh: I never said Holmes was my fave version of the rules or I love them so much. In fact I said Moldvay/Cook/Marsh was. I never said Holmes was written better. I said Moldvay actually cleared up some things for me. My assertion is that it just wasn't as horrendous as the OP thinks it is, looking back in nearly 40 years of retrospect and game design. I was there. we used it, and we had a blast. None of us felt the "need" for better written rules at the time. We felt the need for more "stuff"...spells..classes, monsters etc. You can argue until you turn blue (no pun intended) how "bad" it was. The Holmes set worked phenomenally well. TSR sold a shitpile of them despite the warts... EDIT- OVER a hundred thousand /EDIT of them (the info is available in lots of places, including the 25TH Anniversary box se, and TSR staffer posts on places like DF and the Acaeum). Plenty of people STILL cite it as their fave edition, and retroclones of it are popping up everywhere. I really do not see why this is so hard to understand. Here......maybe I should edit my edit..as I undershot And some more [/QUOTE]

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