Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
Basic D&D Was Selling 600,000+/Year At One Point
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Jaeger" data-source="post: 8686311" data-attributes="member: 27996"><p>I agree. the B/X essentially 'made' D&D, and set a tone for the game that lasted for decades.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think so. 3.x had several years of life left in it, and many thought 4e came too soon.</p><p></p><p>Irrespective of anyone's opinion of the system, the release of 4e did cause a split in the D&D fanbase that PF exploited.</p><p></p><p>It is worth noting though that while PF did outsell 4e - It only really outsold it by a little bit.</p><p></p><p>That is why <em>in my opinion</em> WotC made the call to shift to 5e so quick when the writing was on the wall: D&D doesn't outsell or get outsold by "a little bit". </p><p></p><p>D&D is the dominant RPG IP because it outsells its nearest competitor by multiple orders of magnitude; controlling the RPG market.</p><p></p><p>That was <em>beginning</em> to slip under 4e. So we got the quick shift to 5e...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Although many other stores continued to sell D&D - people forget exactly how big Sears and JC Penny were back in the day.</p><p></p><p>That + the horrific Mismanagement at TSR was a double blow that was hard to come back from.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>CR would have to release their "D&D" at the right time. It would take both WotC botching something pretty big in their 2024 not new edition releases, and CR getting their rules set just right, and absolutely nailing it on landing.</p><p></p><p>Even then it would take years to chip into D&D's player network. And that it assuming that WotC wouldn't do what they did with 4e, and use that fat megacorp budget to pivot to a new edition to undercut what CR was doing...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jaeger, post: 8686311, member: 27996"] I agree. the B/X essentially 'made' D&D, and set a tone for the game that lasted for decades. I don't think so. 3.x had several years of life left in it, and many thought 4e came too soon. Irrespective of anyone's opinion of the system, the release of 4e did cause a split in the D&D fanbase that PF exploited. It is worth noting though that while PF did outsell 4e - It only really outsold it by a little bit. That is why [I]in my opinion[/I] WotC made the call to shift to 5e so quick when the writing was on the wall: D&D doesn't outsell or get outsold by "a little bit". D&D is the dominant RPG IP because it outsells its nearest competitor by multiple orders of magnitude; controlling the RPG market. That was [I]beginning[/I] to slip under 4e. So we got the quick shift to 5e... Although many other stores continued to sell D&D - people forget exactly how big Sears and JC Penny were back in the day. That + the horrific Mismanagement at TSR was a double blow that was hard to come back from. CR would have to release their "D&D" at the right time. It would take both WotC botching something pretty big in their 2024 not new edition releases, and CR getting their rules set just right, and absolutely nailing it on landing. Even then it would take years to chip into D&D's player network. And that it assuming that WotC wouldn't do what they did with 4e, and use that fat megacorp budget to pivot to a new edition to undercut what CR was doing... [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
Basic D&D Was Selling 600,000+/Year At One Point
Top