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<blockquote data-quote="Herremann the Wise" data-source="post: 5463113" data-attributes="member: 11300">You never used overruns or bull rushes or trips or grapples or disarms or just about any other weird-arsed maneuver as a fighter? I had fun playing fighters as well as wizards and celebrated their differences. It was nice to have the choice. It was one of the first things I had to get over when I first played 4e: that rather than different classes, you had homogenous lumps of approximately equal measure. It took a long time to &quot;get&quot; what they were trying to do and even then, I have never been the biggest fan of role&gt;class&gt;=powers&gt;skills&gt;feats. Perhaps with 4.E, the developers have learned the &quot;error&quot; of their ways or perhaps not. As a player, I have found it more fun to identify with a particular class rather than as a role (although leaders of the warlord variety are fun). And that's it, different versions of the game are fun for some and more deeply satisfying or not for others.Best RegardsHerremann the Wise</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Herremann the Wise, post: 5463113, member: 11300"] You never used overruns or bull rushes or trips or grapples or disarms or just about any other weird-arsed maneuver as a fighter? I had fun playing fighters as well as wizards and celebrated their differences. It was nice to have the choice. It was one of the first things I had to get over when I first played 4e: that rather than different classes, you had homogenous lumps of approximately equal measure. It took a long time to "get" what they were trying to do and even then, I have never been the biggest fan of role>class>=powers>skills>feats. Perhaps with 4.E, the developers have learned the "error" of their ways or perhaps not. As a player, I have found it more fun to identify with a particular class rather than as a role (although leaders of the warlord variety are fun). And that's it, different versions of the game are fun for some and more deeply satisfying or not for others. Best Regards Herremann the Wise [/QUOTE]

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