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<blockquote data-quote="Xeterog" data-source="post: 5219003" data-attributes="member: 84369">since you made you stealth check, you are effectively invisible to those with a lower passive perception than your stealth check.&nbsp; They don't know where you are and must guess what square you are in, taking a -5 (total concealment) to any ranged or melee attack they made against you (or the square they think you are in)..there would be no penalty to Close or Area attacks (as total concealment does not affect those types of powers.&nbsp; If you had cover from the attack, they'd suffer another -2/-5 (depending on the cover you had) to the roll.Note that it only takes a minor action to make an Active Perception Check to try to determine what square you were hidden in..if you were just stealthed, and they made the perception roll, they would not be at -5 from Total Concealment, since you would no longer be concealed from them, and you weren't actually invisible.If you were invisible, you have total concealment from attackers.&nbsp; Note that if you did not make a stealth roll while invisible, they would not have to guess what square you were in, but would still have a -5 to hit (with melee and ranged of course).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Xeterog, post: 5219003, member: 84369"] since you made you stealth check, you are effectively invisible to those with a lower passive perception than your stealth check. They don't know where you are and must guess what square you are in, taking a -5 (total concealment) to any ranged or melee attack they made against you (or the square they think you are in)..there would be no penalty to Close or Area attacks (as total concealment does not affect those types of powers. If you had cover from the attack, they'd suffer another -2/-5 (depending on the cover you had) to the roll. Note that it only takes a minor action to make an Active Perception Check to try to determine what square you were hidden in..if you were just stealthed, and they made the perception roll, they would not be at -5 from Total Concealment, since you would no longer be concealed from them, and you weren't actually invisible. If you were invisible, you have total concealment from attackers. Note that if you did not make a stealth roll while invisible, they would not have to guess what square you were in, but would still have a -5 to hit (with melee and ranged of course). [/QUOTE]

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