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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3685414" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>The description of the bastard sword doesn't really cater for inappropriate size. Consequently, there are a couple of ways you could read it.</p><p></p><p>The bastard sword is a one-handed weapon; however, it is too large to wield in one hand without special training. It can be wielded two-handed as a martial weapon.</p><p></p><p>Assuming a Medium weapon:</p><p>By my reading, a human without the EWP feat can't wield the sword in one hand, with or without a -4 penalty. It is too large.</p><p></p><p>For an ogre, it is considered a light weapon. But there isn't an explicit rule in place to convert "too large to wield in one hand", or even "wield two-handed". (There's a rule for converting "two-handed weapon", but that isn't what the bastard sword text says.)</p><p></p><p>So one could read it that the bastard sword is a light weapon for the ogre, but too large to wield in one hand.</p><p></p><p>I personally make the assumption that it's a light weapon for the ogre, and takes the disadvantages thereof (-4 to Disarm and Sunder checks, for example), but does not gain the advantages (lowered TWF penalties, useable in a grapple, etc) unless he has the EWP feat.</p><p></p><p>So he can use it one-handed; if he uses it two-handed, he does not add 1.5x Str bonus because it's a light weapon; but if he uses it as an off-hand weapon, his TWF penalties are as if his off-hand weapon were not light.</p><p></p><p>He won't take a -4 non-proficiency penalty (assuming he has All Martial Weapons), but he will take a -2 inappropriate size penalty.</p><p></p><p>That's my own ruling, however... since there's detail missing from the weapon description, there are some blanks an individual DM will need to fill in.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3685414, member: 1656"] The description of the bastard sword doesn't really cater for inappropriate size. Consequently, there are a couple of ways you could read it. The bastard sword is a one-handed weapon; however, it is too large to wield in one hand without special training. It can be wielded two-handed as a martial weapon. Assuming a Medium weapon: By my reading, a human without the EWP feat can't wield the sword in one hand, with or without a -4 penalty. It is too large. For an ogre, it is considered a light weapon. But there isn't an explicit rule in place to convert "too large to wield in one hand", or even "wield two-handed". (There's a rule for converting "two-handed weapon", but that isn't what the bastard sword text says.) So one could read it that the bastard sword is a light weapon for the ogre, but too large to wield in one hand. I personally make the assumption that it's a light weapon for the ogre, and takes the disadvantages thereof (-4 to Disarm and Sunder checks, for example), but does not gain the advantages (lowered TWF penalties, useable in a grapple, etc) unless he has the EWP feat. So he can use it one-handed; if he uses it two-handed, he does not add 1.5x Str bonus because it's a light weapon; but if he uses it as an off-hand weapon, his TWF penalties are as if his off-hand weapon were not light. He won't take a -4 non-proficiency penalty (assuming he has All Martial Weapons), but he will take a -2 inappropriate size penalty. That's my own ruling, however... since there's detail missing from the weapon description, there are some blanks an individual DM will need to fill in. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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