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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wayside" data-source="post: 2338683" data-attributes="member: 8394">Surely the circularity of what you're saying here didn't escape you? I mean about the "true Batman" and the "true Batman fan," and the "true Batman" is the one the "true Batman fan" knows, and the way we know the "true Batman fan" is by his knowing the "true Batman"--?As to the lemmings comment: sorry, but the fact that you've read some comics and watched some cartoons doesn't qualify your judgments or make them in any way more valid. You aren't the authority, or as you say, "the true batman fan," who decides which Batman is the real and accurate Batman. We're talking about a character here who's seen any number of incarnations, many of which have very little to do with one another, none of which is the authentic, undisputed Batman. If you're going to keep telling the same stories about the same character for decades, that character has to be capable of an amazing variety of transformations, none of which are any more or less "correct" than the others. Keaton's turn wasn't an insult or a failure in any way, least of all because it was new and different.So now the fact that they're still making James Bond movies means that all the previosu Bond films flopped? Right you are, Ken.I gather it was more like 3 when the movie was actually filmed, so yes, I call that "well before," as opposed to, say, him being 39 and change, which would be "just shy of." And I didn't choose not to address anything; Keaton simply never struck me as being physically unfit, and Batman simply never struck as needing to be particularly muscular. But by all means continue being smug and mistaken, it's really no problem for me that your statements here make up in volume what they lack in substance.So what you're saying is I've achieved the impossible here. I thank you for the compliment kind sir.Of course I have. The irony here is that I'm doing the arguing and you're doing the disagreeing.And your rhetorically charged pose is just as all well and good, bravo to this "argument."I'm afraid there is no such book. Of course I'm exaggerating when I talk about comics and cartoons, since I've read and seen plenty of both; the point is I certainly don't approach them religiously, the way you seem to, and this holds for every book. Fight Club, Trainspotting, A Clockwork Orange, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas,*GASP* Troy, all good books. Do I care that in the Iliad Achilleus doesn't actually die, that the myth of his heel actually postdates the poem? Nope. Changing the story comes with retelling it. I'm happy to have eluded this modern obsession with authenticity, which in this case magically provides you a way of criticizing Batman without actually criticizing it in itself!Ah, and now you propose to tell other people why they like something. Another excellent "argument." Lucky for me you know me better than I know myself and are here to help me out with these things. By the way, I was thinking of going shopping for some new underwear later, mind telling me what bright colors I want? It would save me a lot of time trying things on. Thanks in advance.</blockquote>

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