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<blockquote data-quote="mneme" data-source="post: 5185720" data-attributes="member: 59248"><p>A bunch of those are quite good, yes (the problem with most Avenger PPs, I think, is that they emphasize Avenger-as-pseudodefender, not Avenger-as-striker--or at best emphasize mobility).</p><p></p><p>That said, any thoughts on the thread title? It seems to me that pound for pound, BE is very close to Warpriest (+1/+1d6 as an AP feature, an amazing 11E, a more or less equivalent (for Avengers) 20D, but post-eratta, Fleeting Dweomer is obviously worse than the encounter reroll plus the mark/punish ability plus the "get a daily back on a 20" daily).</p><p></p><p>Warpriest gets the nod (though I'm really stacking it wrong; Battle Cry is mediocre for avengers and doesn't compare well to Greater Magic Weapon, but WP has 5 good to great features compared to 1 amazing feature and 2 good ones) -- but OTOH, artificers have a better multiclass daily (slightly) and +1 skill (which matters, though Arcana is one of the "common" skills).</p><p></p><p>Part of the question, really, is how much longer paragon fights are than high heroic. If you're expecting 3 round fights, "we get a party nova every fight" stacks up a lot better against static damage increases of the Simarch or Kensai (who has the problem that he has one good feature for this purpose) -- DPR is a much better measure when R=6 than when R=3.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mneme, post: 5185720, member: 59248"] A bunch of those are quite good, yes (the problem with most Avenger PPs, I think, is that they emphasize Avenger-as-pseudodefender, not Avenger-as-striker--or at best emphasize mobility). That said, any thoughts on the thread title? It seems to me that pound for pound, BE is very close to Warpriest (+1/+1d6 as an AP feature, an amazing 11E, a more or less equivalent (for Avengers) 20D, but post-eratta, Fleeting Dweomer is obviously worse than the encounter reroll plus the mark/punish ability plus the "get a daily back on a 20" daily). Warpriest gets the nod (though I'm really stacking it wrong; Battle Cry is mediocre for avengers and doesn't compare well to Greater Magic Weapon, but WP has 5 good to great features compared to 1 amazing feature and 2 good ones) -- but OTOH, artificers have a better multiclass daily (slightly) and +1 skill (which matters, though Arcana is one of the "common" skills). Part of the question, really, is how much longer paragon fights are than high heroic. If you're expecting 3 round fights, "we get a party nova every fight" stacks up a lot better against static damage increases of the Simarch or Kensai (who has the problem that he has one good feature for this purpose) -- DPR is a much better measure when R=6 than when R=3. [/QUOTE]
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