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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lancelot" data-source="post: 5187524" data-attributes="member: 30022">Sorry; part of the difficulty was that I didn't recognize the specific PP you were talking about (you didn't mention artificer in your original post, and I don't play in Eberron), so was only responding to the bits I knew about. i.e. the general suckitude of the avenger PPs... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />After reading up a bit about artificers and their PPs, I think you could be onto something... but it's a tough decision. The powers rawk. Seriously. My jaw nearly unhinged when I saw the L12 utility. +5 (say) damage for the encounter, and ongoing 10 on a crit? Yes please. The L11 and L20 are very nice as well....but the class abilities are kinda weak. The ally-buffing powers are going to very limited (really only usable on the L11) unless you multi heavily into artificer, and my experience is that avengers just don't have the feat slots to spend. That leaves the AP ability, which is certainly nice... but is going to get eaten alive by the Radiant Servant and Warpriest AP abilities.Again, for me, it comes down to the comparison vs Radiant Servant. The Battle Engineer powers are unquestionably superior (unless fighting a lot of undead and demons), but the Radiant Servant class abilities of 19-20 crit on radiant powers (including the at-will Bond of Retribution and Radiant Vengeance), and the AP ability to place ongoing [level] damage on a target (no attack roll required)... that's some serious striker power.Still, personal preference and all. I'd certainly agree that Battle Engineer is better than the Avenger PPs...</blockquote>

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