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<blockquote data-quote="Heraldofi" data-source="post: 8720891" data-attributes="member: 35058"><p>The cost is Bardic Inspiration, a quite limited resource, and possibly your concentration slot, unless you specifically take the benefit to avoid that at 4th level. The effects you're providing tend to be small in effect, and are often less effective than handing out the Bardic Inspiration die directly, unless you can pull off an impressive feat of timing (i.e. providing a saving throw bonus on several saves hitting in the same round, instead of 1). </p><p></p><p>Generally, especially at lower levels, you're taking a penalty to the effectiveness of your BI to preserve the bonus action and/or to gain targeting flexibility.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you're really missing the benefits here. You can hand out the save bonus when a target has to make a save, or disadvantage on an enemy attack roll exactly when the enemy makes an attack. There are several abilities that don't benefit from delayed targeting, but it's definitely a feature.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It is perfectly clear; there's no need to create an action restriction where one doesn't exist. "At any time" allows it be used at any time, without the need to spend any kind of action.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't see how this is a problem really. You're deciding to queue up, say Bastions of Justice for a saving throw bonus or maybe Heaven's Blessing, and you'll wait until someone has to roll a saving throw against against a particularly dangerous effect (or with a bad save) or a bardic inspiration die is really necessary to correct a failed roll. You might very well be holding that effect for 2 or 3 rounds, which is a fine use of a BI when you get around to it.</p><p></p><p>Setting a cost to the ability upfront makes it not strictly preferable to using conventional Bardic Inspiration, and provides a small tactical puzzle for the bard to chew on.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is not true for many of these abilities. If you're going to do that, you're generally better off just handing out your BI dice normally. There's a real case for picking a Battle Hymn, and sustaining it for a couple rounds until you find a time to use it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Heraldofi, post: 8720891, member: 35058"] The cost is Bardic Inspiration, a quite limited resource, and possibly your concentration slot, unless you specifically take the benefit to avoid that at 4th level. The effects you're providing tend to be small in effect, and are often less effective than handing out the Bardic Inspiration die directly, unless you can pull off an impressive feat of timing (i.e. providing a saving throw bonus on several saves hitting in the same round, instead of 1). Generally, especially at lower levels, you're taking a penalty to the effectiveness of your BI to preserve the bonus action and/or to gain targeting flexibility. I think you're really missing the benefits here. You can hand out the save bonus when a target has to make a save, or disadvantage on an enemy attack roll exactly when the enemy makes an attack. There are several abilities that don't benefit from delayed targeting, but it's definitely a feature. It is perfectly clear; there's no need to create an action restriction where one doesn't exist. "At any time" allows it be used at any time, without the need to spend any kind of action. I don't see how this is a problem really. You're deciding to queue up, say Bastions of Justice for a saving throw bonus or maybe Heaven's Blessing, and you'll wait until someone has to roll a saving throw against against a particularly dangerous effect (or with a bad save) or a bardic inspiration die is really necessary to correct a failed roll. You might very well be holding that effect for 2 or 3 rounds, which is a fine use of a BI when you get around to it. Setting a cost to the ability upfront makes it not strictly preferable to using conventional Bardic Inspiration, and provides a small tactical puzzle for the bard to chew on. This is not true for many of these abilities. If you're going to do that, you're generally better off just handing out your BI dice normally. There's a real case for picking a Battle Hymn, and sustaining it for a couple rounds until you find a time to use it. [/QUOTE]
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