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<blockquote data-quote="Heraldofi" data-source="post: 8724840" data-attributes="member: 35058"><p>I mean, you can obviously do whatever you like at your table, but I don't think there's any need to be quite so dogmatic about this ability. It works fine as written, it provide the bard a little more to do with handing out buffs and gives them a little more active decision making with their abilities outside of spells.</p><p></p><p>You seem really keen on removing the primary decision making component of this ability, which is the dynamic targeting once you've burned a BI to activate it. It sounds like what you want is a list of Cunning Words style variant uses for Bardic Inspiration, when this is more of an alternate system that uses BI as the activation cost/currency.</p><p></p><p>As for the concentration point, the real cost is that you can't use this ability and a concentration spell at the same time. You're picking between handing out spell-based buffs, which you have a ton of as a bard, or you're using your concentration round to round for these smaller effects. This, combined with eating through your BIs, is the opportunity cost of the ability you're looking for. I suppose in the 1/day, 2 round fight situation you proposed, assuming a comparison against an O5E bard that eschewed concentration spells, this will provide some additional strength to the A5E bard, but it's pretty marginal stuff.</p><p></p><p>I'll cede the point that "You may choose to target a creature at any point," could be clearer about the exact timing, but it really isn't that hard to adjudicate. You're going to give a save bonus right before a save is rolled, you're going to hand out attack penalties as attacks are made, and so on. Willful Serenade is a bit of an outlier, but still pretty easy to parse as effect that continues separate from the Battle Hymn itself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Heraldofi, post: 8724840, member: 35058"] I mean, you can obviously do whatever you like at your table, but I don't think there's any need to be quite so dogmatic about this ability. It works fine as written, it provide the bard a little more to do with handing out buffs and gives them a little more active decision making with their abilities outside of spells. You seem really keen on removing the primary decision making component of this ability, which is the dynamic targeting once you've burned a BI to activate it. It sounds like what you want is a list of Cunning Words style variant uses for Bardic Inspiration, when this is more of an alternate system that uses BI as the activation cost/currency. As for the concentration point, the real cost is that you can't use this ability and a concentration spell at the same time. You're picking between handing out spell-based buffs, which you have a ton of as a bard, or you're using your concentration round to round for these smaller effects. This, combined with eating through your BIs, is the opportunity cost of the ability you're looking for. I suppose in the 1/day, 2 round fight situation you proposed, assuming a comparison against an O5E bard that eschewed concentration spells, this will provide some additional strength to the A5E bard, but it's pretty marginal stuff. I'll cede the point that "You may choose to target a creature at any point," could be clearer about the exact timing, but it really isn't that hard to adjudicate. You're going to give a save bonus right before a save is rolled, you're going to hand out attack penalties as attacks are made, and so on. Willful Serenade is a bit of an outlier, but still pretty easy to parse as effect that continues separate from the Battle Hymn itself. [/QUOTE]
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