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Message: <blockquote data-quote="monboesen" data-source="post: 3605880" data-attributes="member: 4647">I'm sensing this is likely a futile effort, just like commenting negatively on your Dragon bound was. But I will give it one last shot.I'm not quite sure what you mean, that a level 13 Battle mage would have a lower caster level than 13 but still be able to use 9th level spells.If so it hardly limits them much. The Battle mage will just use spells without caster level dependant mechanics. Spells like Power word (sleep, stun or kill), Meteor swarm (24d6 damage regardless of caster level), Shapechange, Time stop, Weird, Summon monster, Incendiary cloud, Irresistable dance, Greater shout, Sunburst, Iron body, Reverse gravity, Waves of exhaustion, Prismatic spray, Forcecage, Hold (monster, person, mass), Acid fog, Globe of invulnerability, Baleful polymorph, Dominate person, Wall of force, Polymorph, Enervation, Phantasmal killer etc....And thats just a quick trip down the wizard spells from the players handbook, no doubt other classes spell lists and spells from other books would add even more spells. There is no shortage of very good combat spells that doesn't depend on caster level.You are quick to dismiss this. But the fact is that its not fun to be part of a game where one player more or less singlehandedly will determine the outcome of each battle. The Battle mage is overspecialised and thus to good at what he does.But that is no reason for not having a reason. All other spellcasters can use their magic when they want. Why can't the Battle mage.Have they taken a sacred wow never to use magic except in combat, if so why and what happens when they break that wow.Do they have a psychological flaw that stops them from accesing magic when they arent in danger. If so how dire must that danger be, mortal and imminent?Allright I'll be more precise. No full fledged arcane caster have acces to healing spells. The ranger (and the bard) are arcane casters with healing spells. But they also have reduced and slowed down spell level acces (4th and 6th level spells) from a strict and themed list. Show me the ranger and bards big blasting spells, their magical transport spells, their strong defense spells etc.There is no comparison between the ranger/bard and the Battle mage spellcasting ability.And isn't the warmage a mage specialising in Battle magic? What is the problem with it in your opinion.</blockquote>

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