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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 6935114" data-attributes="member: 6716779">' You only need to know the good ones though.  Each superiority (or inspiration dice for Bard) dice in effect is roughly equal to a level 1 spell IMHO. The BM has a lolt of versatility and even doing basic stuff out damages the champion.Damage is not everything but the EK is only a 1/3 caster and by the time you get fireball (level 15 IIRC?) it is not that great. And you almost need the SCAG cantrips to work and even then after level 11 you are better off not using them and having a 3rd attack most of the time. Haste is sexy fora EK but you still have to use an action to cast is although it is very good with an action surge as well- 8 or 9 attacks at level 11+ and you can self cast it at the higher levels. The BM is very good if you have a dedicated archer in the party and you are using a sword and shield. Rather than spending a turn putting your weapon away you just give your attacks to the archer.  The EK doesn't get enough spells to really do a lot and a lot of self buff spells in 5E are not that good anyway on the wizard list except for a few like haste. Cantrips for an EK do add a bit of versatility though as firing a firebolt is often better than say switching weapons and having 1 attack a round for 1d6+ whatever damage if you are strength based.  Just play a Paladin anyway if you want to gish, I also allow 3rd party stuff and there are Paladins that have access to fireballs anyway and you get the better Cleric buff spells like +2 AC, bless, etc.  The BM is the best fighter I could see the argument made for a level 15+ EK being that (once they get 3rd level spells) or an EK might be marginally better if you use SCAG at certain levels like 7-10. Without SCAG I will stick with the level 15+ EK being the best, BM best fighter overall.</blockquote>

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