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Message: <blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 935396" data-attributes="member: 1194">this is quite tragically funny.Norman's Advantage was Fandom. In other words, he didn't even pay for the creature. And the DM didn't even bother to check his own created rules, and some of the vocal players shrug and go "Meh - no big deal."And no effort was spent trying to estimate the ECL, as stated by clockwork that it would be. In Dragon 293, a 15 HD Shield Guardian with 48 less attribute points and no feats and weaker abilities is rated by WotC at 23 ECL (!). You don't use it's CON as a justification for not making the player pay for a 5 HD advancement - that's taken into account with the ECL estimation. "Macallan gave a good case?"It's AFAIK straight-forward in the D&D Rules - Wildshaping is limited by HD.I guess green slime's & number47's approach was different than mine:I expected a fair combat, with some attempts at following rules, while they expected a slam-bang pageant that simply played lip-service to the rules and fair play, instead concentrating on the fantastical effects and stylized Arena and roller-coaster actions of the Gawds.Actually, remembering back, clockwork even told me that he wasn't checking the entries of the other players - he singled me out for rules-checking, and even started denying me by-the-book rules after he said he hated my character concept.So I guess the major question that should be clarified in any Game of Death from the beginning is whether or not the focus is on impartiality and correct rules, or on the spectacular.</blockquote>

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