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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5093004" data-attributes="member: 2011">Nope. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.If you are the only person making the claim, then you at least have to bring some rules evidence to the table to support it.So far, you have merely brought a unique interpretation of a single word to the table without any rules evidence to support that interpretation.Throw us a bone here. Give us some rule to work with.Except that every instance of power use we have in the game system are controlled by the user of that power. To claim that zones are controlled and used by the zone itself is a new concept that requires rules support.Where are your rules for this? We are discussing this in a rules forum. You can disagree with most of the rest of us all you like, but to convince anyone that your interpretation is RAW requires rules support. You have yet to provide any. Just a specific interpretation of the word "use".How is this any different than any other zone power? If a class Utility power stated "the effect is a zone of difficult terrain" and the caster had an item or feat that stated "when you use a power that creates difficult terrain, that terrain adds an additional +1 movement to get through", are you claiming that the user of the power is not really using the power because it's a zone and that the zone is using the power and the item or feat does not add to the difficult terrain?Again, quote a rule. You'll find most people here more responsive to your interpretation if you could quote a rule that states that an item out of the possession of a character is no longer under control or in use by that character.I don't think you are silly. I do think that you are ignoring what you want to ignore in order to get the interpretation you want. For example:Is the Battle Standard a power? yesDoes the Battle Standard enable you or an ally to regain hit points? yesIs the user of the Battle Standard using it? yesSorry, but your unique claim that the user of the standard is not really using it seems pretty darn weak.</blockquote>

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