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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8742755" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>I agree the banneret is a weak subclass for the combat pillar of the game. I don't know that it is terrible over all three pillars though. Considering all three pillars and comparing it to other fighters it is behind psi-knight, Eldritch Knight and Battlemaster, but I don't know that it is behind the rest of the Fighter subclasses.</p><p></p><p>Moreover the post was not about making the most powerful character. If you want that play a Wizard, case closed. The post was about making a Warlord-type character with that flavor.</p><p></p><p>Also Trickery Cleric is pretty darn fun, IME you can get a ton of mileage out of Invoke Duplicity and either Disguise Self or Cloak of Shadows. Seriously, you have a <u>"perfect"</u> illusion of yourself running around casting spells at enemies and it is invincible and can't be damaged or harmed. If you can't get mileage out of that, then you aren't really trying.</p><p></p><p>I will also point out that Jester (a Trickery Cleric) was probably the best overall character in the Mighty Nein. In addition to dominating the social aspects, she had the 5th most kills in the party despite being a Cleric. Her 59 kills is just 2 behind Fjord (Hexblade) and 13 ahead of Yasha (Barbarian).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well playing a cleric or Bard as a "support class" is dull as dishwater. Your Cleric should not be the mobile party hospital. That is what healing potions are for. Sure keep healing word available to bring up a downed guy and maybe a lessor restoration to cast between fights.</p><p></p><p>It seems you are combat focused. If so try a Tempest Cleric, pick a 1-level dip in fathomless Warlock for Booming Blade and nice bonus action attack and go to town. Loads of fun!</p><p></p><p>In your defense I don't really like playing Bards, except as a multiclass on a high level Fey Wanderer Ranger. However others do like it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8742755, member: 7030563"] I agree the banneret is a weak subclass for the combat pillar of the game. I don't know that it is terrible over all three pillars though. Considering all three pillars and comparing it to other fighters it is behind psi-knight, Eldritch Knight and Battlemaster, but I don't know that it is behind the rest of the Fighter subclasses. Moreover the post was not about making the most powerful character. If you want that play a Wizard, case closed. The post was about making a Warlord-type character with that flavor. Also Trickery Cleric is pretty darn fun, IME you can get a ton of mileage out of Invoke Duplicity and either Disguise Self or Cloak of Shadows. Seriously, you have a [U]"perfect"[/U] illusion of yourself running around casting spells at enemies and it is invincible and can't be damaged or harmed. If you can't get mileage out of that, then you aren't really trying. I will also point out that Jester (a Trickery Cleric) was probably the best overall character in the Mighty Nein. In addition to dominating the social aspects, she had the 5th most kills in the party despite being a Cleric. Her 59 kills is just 2 behind Fjord (Hexblade) and 13 ahead of Yasha (Barbarian). Well playing a cleric or Bard as a "support class" is dull as dishwater. Your Cleric should not be the mobile party hospital. That is what healing potions are for. Sure keep healing word available to bring up a downed guy and maybe a lessor restoration to cast between fights. It seems you are combat focused. If so try a Tempest Cleric, pick a 1-level dip in fathomless Warlock for Booming Blade and nice bonus action attack and go to town. Loads of fun! In your defense I don't really like playing Bards, except as a multiclass on a high level Fey Wanderer Ranger. However others do like it. [/QUOTE]
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