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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 8746219" data-attributes="member: 6802951">The only suggestions about using this sort of thing at will specifically talked about removing the extra damage, so it was only the goading effect, and not the extra d6.So I'm asking again, because I don't have that many people on ignore - Who has suggested:Please? How? By being hit more than the other melee characters? a BASE Cleric or BARD using nothing from their subclass are a full caster. If you're going to calculate fighter damage with their class features, you should probably ley the cleric and bard use theirs. - And note that this is assuming we are talking about non-melee-type clerics and bards being put into melee.Also worth noting that melee-oriented rogues actually keep up pretty well with base fighters in terms of damage dealt. Why do you feel that this is not the case? Encouraging opponents to attack them rather than their allies does not mean that the fighters will "dominate melee". If your cleric casts one spell then sits out the rest of the fight making no further attacks, cantrips, or other spells, that is a player issue, not a class issue.</blockquote>