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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8766251" data-attributes="member: 7030563">If you did almost as much damage as a fighter you would be helping more, it would not be just "plinking".I don't think so.  I have played Rogues with medium armor, but they were always multiclassed and they are not primarily melee characters.  I do use Rogues in melee sometimes, but I would not call any I have ever played melee builds.  They are usually either ranged builds or builds that do some of both melee and ranged.I may have said if you are going to build a strength-based Rogue you should get medium armor proficiency.  It is a half-feat so I think that is a pretty good option and if you did it with a VHuman you could start with a 17 strength and then take heavy armor at 4th level for an 18.  If you did that you could run an 8 dexterity and on point buy that would give you a lot for other skills, but I have never played such a character. I have played a Rogue-Rune Knight Grappler who was a melee character in heavy armor, but she only had 2 Rogue levels for the expertise in Athletics and bonus action dash (for dragging grappled enemies).  I would call her a fighter, not a Rogue.I have only played one character total in 5E that used a shield.  That was a Tempest Cleric/Fathomless Warlock.  Some other characters may have used a shield on occasion, or for a specific fight but not normally.   Shields really muck up my play style because they get in the way of casting spells with S or M and cause all kinds of "hands" issues, you can't just drop them and you are limited to a single ranged attack while holding one.  I am thinking of playing a Mountain Dwarf Order Cleric/Enchantment Wizard with an 8 strength, heavy armor and a shield, but he won't carry any weapons so he will still have a free hand.I have suggested tanking as a bladesinger and they are awesome at that.  I also pointed out that you can do that as a Dwarven strength-based bladesinger and get heavy armor proficiency, dump dexterity and use a heavy 2-handed weapon.  I have never done it myself, and you would give up using bladesong, but you would still have a good AC and the bladesinger version of extra attack.And I play in multiple groups not just one.</blockquote>

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