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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 8766282" data-attributes="member: 6802951">I think perhaps you should refresh yourself on the discussion we're actually having. It is not specifically about melee. We are talking about the Fighter being able to impose disadvantage to hit opponents other than themselves if they land a blow. That is a control and support ability as Hypnotic Pattern is.I'm fairly sure that Clerics aren't going to completely embarrass themselves, what with Divine Strike, and Spirit Guardians or a celestial fighting next to them.Melee-oriented Bards get as many attacks as Fighters do for most of their usual career. Even if the campaign continues much beyond 11th level they are a full caster with whatever spells they have plundered from the Paladin or other lists.How would the Fighter being able to focus enemy attacks more on themselves and less on the other characters change this for the worse?</blockquote>