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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6867920" data-attributes="member: 6787650"><p>Perhaps it got that old by being big enough and strong enough to take what it wants without having to be skilled in tactics. How often do you think this dragon has actually been in a fair fight?</p><p></p><p>Take a PC, give him all 20s in every ability score, and make him 20th level at the start of the campaign. Give the PC to your dumbest player. How tricksy do you think he's going to play that PC? Is he going to cunningly save his abilities for the tactically-optimal moment so he can stomp the party's otherwise-level-appropriate foes (Lamias, Chimeras, etc.) even harder? Or is he going to relax and do idiotic things like blow 9th level Meteor Swarms on CR 5 foes just because it feels so awesome to steal kills from everyone else?</p><p></p><p>But if the other players don't kill him, I bet he'll still make through the regular DMG-balanced encounter day (balanced against a normal party, not the 20th level munchkin that you've turned him into).</p><p></p><p>That's what a stupid dragon is like. It's probably still not going to die, at least not in a campaign without tons of PC-like freelance adventurers and treasure-hunters roaming around killing dragons--and in that campaign, dragons have bigger problems than their individual intelligence or lack thereof. Their real problem is that they're tolerating acts of genocide without retaliating with their own Dragon Army[1].</p><p></p><p>[1] Which, by the way, has never lost (or won) a battle.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6867920, member: 6787650"] Perhaps it got that old by being big enough and strong enough to take what it wants without having to be skilled in tactics. How often do you think this dragon has actually been in a fair fight? Take a PC, give him all 20s in every ability score, and make him 20th level at the start of the campaign. Give the PC to your dumbest player. How tricksy do you think he's going to play that PC? Is he going to cunningly save his abilities for the tactically-optimal moment so he can stomp the party's otherwise-level-appropriate foes (Lamias, Chimeras, etc.) even harder? Or is he going to relax and do idiotic things like blow 9th level Meteor Swarms on CR 5 foes just because it feels so awesome to steal kills from everyone else? But if the other players don't kill him, I bet he'll still make through the regular DMG-balanced encounter day (balanced against a normal party, not the 20th level munchkin that you've turned him into). That's what a stupid dragon is like. It's probably still not going to die, at least not in a campaign without tons of PC-like freelance adventurers and treasure-hunters roaming around killing dragons--and in that campaign, dragons have bigger problems than their individual intelligence or lack thereof. Their real problem is that they're tolerating acts of genocide without retaliating with their own Dragon Army[1]. [1] Which, by the way, has never lost (or won) a battle. [/QUOTE]
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