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<blockquote data-quote="Glyfair" data-source="post: 32282" data-attributes="member: 53">I've had one of my Chessex battlemats since the early 80's.&nbsp; It has held up quite well. Even being used outdoors as impromptu mats so we could sit on the ground.The ideal markers for them are the Vis-A-Vis Overhead Projector markers (there used to be a few other brands, but haven't seen any others in years).&nbsp; The first few years I had it there were a few &quot;accidents&quot; with markers that didn't competely come up.&nbsp; Certain blacks would leave behind various colors if left on for more than an hour or two.&nbsp; I haven't any any problems with that for years and years, though.&nbsp; Also, the &quot;permanent&quot; marks have faded over the years so that one that I retired because the marks were too pronounced has been put back into use.As for the inexpensive counters, I recommend the following:&nbsp; 1)&nbsp; Steve Jackson Games Cardboard Heroes:&nbsp; inexpensive stand-up miniatures.&nbsp; There are also a few homemade variations online &amp; the CC2 add-on program &quot;Character Artist&quot; will also generate them for you.&nbsp; They have the advantage of not looking out of place next to miniatures.&nbsp; However, of the options listed here, these are the hardest to store unless you fold them up after each time using them&nbsp; (which leads to a lot of wear and tear on them).2)&nbsp; Counter Collection from Fiery Dragon:&nbsp; These work quite well, and I use them myself for my game I run away from home.&nbsp; They are much easier to transport than miniatures.&nbsp; The chief disadvantages are that keeping them organized can be a chore and that they aren't three dimensional.&nbsp;&nbsp; Also, several of the last issues of Dungeon has had counter sheets enclosed with the encounters in that issue.&nbsp; I believe the D&amp;D Adventure game had these type counters also.&nbsp; They work quite well with the Fiery Dragon counters.&nbsp; The primary differences are the artwork (the Dungeon ones use the Monster Manual art) and that the Dungeon ones have rounded corners compared to fiery Dragon's square/rectangular ones.&nbsp; Nothing of any consequence.Glyfair of Glamis</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Glyfair, post: 32282, member: 53"] I've had one of my Chessex battlemats since the early 80's. It has held up quite well. Even being used outdoors as impromptu mats so we could sit on the ground. The ideal markers for them are the Vis-A-Vis Overhead Projector markers (there used to be a few other brands, but haven't seen any others in years). The first few years I had it there were a few "accidents" with markers that didn't competely come up. Certain blacks would leave behind various colors if left on for more than an hour or two. I haven't any any problems with that for years and years, though. Also, the "permanent" marks have faded over the years so that one that I retired because the marks were too pronounced has been put back into use. As for the inexpensive counters, I recommend the following: 1) Steve Jackson Games Cardboard Heroes: inexpensive stand-up miniatures. There are also a few homemade variations online & the CC2 add-on program "Character Artist" will also generate them for you. They have the advantage of not looking out of place next to miniatures. However, of the options listed here, these are the hardest to store unless you fold them up after each time using them (which leads to a lot of wear and tear on them). 2) Counter Collection from Fiery Dragon: These work quite well, and I use them myself for my game I run away from home. They are much easier to transport than miniatures. The chief disadvantages are that keeping them organized can be a chore and that they aren't three dimensional. Also, several of the last issues of Dungeon has had counter sheets enclosed with the encounters in that issue. I believe the D&D Adventure game had these type counters also. They work quite well with the Fiery Dragon counters. The primary differences are the artwork (the Dungeon ones use the Monster Manual art) and that the Dungeon ones have rounded corners compared to fiery Dragon's square/rectangular ones. Nothing of any consequence. Glyfair of Glamis [/QUOTE]

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