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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kris" data-source="post: 3024570" data-attributes="member: 3745">Thanks for the help guys - it's really appreciated.Anyway... I've only tried blue and black pens. Using the black one I drew around one of the mat's squares (which although slightly visible is not such a problem i.e. I didn't even see it at first which is why I then went on to draw a little river with the blue pen <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> ).With regard to 'Simple Green and Clorox' ...they are not something I can say I have ever seen over here (though I generally pay little attention at the supermarket <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ), but I have tried various household cleaners (including foam type oven cleaners/degreasers etc.) but with no luck.Brake cleaner is something I'll try (the next time I pass a store that may sell it) and I'll no doubt be giving the cleaning products aisle at the supermarket some serious scrutiny the next time I'm in there <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I'm just kinda annoyed right now because I don't see why two pens (purchased a few years apart though admittedly) from the same manufacturer, both 'water-soluble' and from the same range, act differently. My old medium-point pen is fine... my new chisel-point ones stain. Very weird :S   ...oh well.</blockquote>

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